Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[iceberg]

I don't believe he did. And, c'mon, the kid had some problems in school. So now it's OK for Zimmerman to assume he's guilty and pursue him. Looking at houses isn't a crime.

zimmerman had no idea what the kids past was, so why even assume he did when there's no way he could have? i bring it up because of martins past criminal behavior, it's likely he could have been "acting strange" and looking in houses.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

zimmerman had no idea what the kids past was, so why even assume he did when there's no way he could have? i bring it up because of martins past criminal behavior, it's likely he could have been "acting strange" and looking in houses.

Wow. You have a "criminal history", so now it's OK to assume you're probably doing something because you fucked up once. Kill the guy. He never had any rights. Plus, he's black anyway. Right?

 

[iceberg]

Wow. You have a "criminal history", so now it's OK to assume you're probably doing something because you fucked up once. Kill the guy. He never had any rights. Plus, he's black anyway. Right?

can we stick to what i'm actually saying? i have zero idea if it was self defense or not. all i'm saying is martin isn't the clean cut football player the media made him out to be and given his history, it's a distinct possibility he could have been looking around houses to steal from when zimmerman saw him, giving him the motive to ask him what he was doing.

and he fucked up several times, not once.

now, either stick to what i'm saying or let's just end this cause i'm not going to get into it with you if you're going to be giving me my side of the discussion.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

can we stick to what i'm actually saying? i have zero idea if it was self defense or not. all i'm saying is martin isn't the clean cut football player the media made him out to be and given his history, it's a distinct possibility he could have been looking around houses to steal from when zimmerman saw him, giving him the motive to ask him what he was doing.

and he fucked up several times, not once.

now, either stick to what i'm saying or let's just end this cause i'm not going to get into it with you if you're going to be giving me my side of the discussion.

It's a pointless discussion. I think the dude is guilty. I think he thought being a hood watch cop gave him privileges, so he overstepped his bounds.

You think he's innocent because it doesn't meet the burden of proof in your mind.

Stalemate.

Isn't it possible anyone walking could be looking to steal something though?

 

[iceberg]

It's a pointless discussion. I think the dude is guilty. I think he thought being a hood watch cop gave him privileges, so he overstepped his bounds.

You think he's innocent because it doesn't meet the burden of proof in your mind.

Stalemate.

fair enough. i think there's reasonable doubt against martin because of his past history that he was sticking his nose in windows where it didn't belong. i believe zimmerman overstepped his bounds also but martin came back to him after running away.

why?

i don't think race has a thing to do with it.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

fair enough. i think there's reasonable doubt against martin because of his past history that he was sticking his nose in windows where it didn't belong. i believe zimmerman overstepped his bounds also but martin came back to him after running away.

why?

i don't think race has a thing to do with it.

I'm unsure if Zimmerman was being racist. But he did say the guy was black. The thing is, the guy is black. So...

But I think the police may have given Zimmerman a break because Trayvon was black.

 

[iceberg]

I'm unsure if Zimmerman was being racist. But he did say the guy was black. The thing is, the guy is black. So...

But I think the police may have given Zimmerman a break because Trayvon was black.

NOT saying this as an attack, but you do seem to have a beef with police in general.

my brother is a bailbondsman in orlando. he deals with the police on a daily basis and he feels the stanford police was doing the right things and following policy. but i'll go ahead and end this cause no need to argue over this dead horse.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

NOT saying this as an attack, but you do seem to have a beef with police in general.

my brother is a bailbondsman in orlando. he deals with the police on a daily basis and he feels the stanford police was doing the right things and following policy. but i'll go ahead and end this cause no need to argue over this dead horse.

Yeah, I won't dispute my beef with police. They're out of control here--and in a lot of places. I never believe anything they say, mostly because police lie.

We've had this discussion before, though.

Again, stalemate.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

So now we do the same argument that we've already had in his thread only this time it's between shitheads

 

[iceberg]

So now we do the same argument that we've already had in his thread only this time it's between shitheads

well it is NOW.... i thought we were being pretty reasonable compared to a couple of locked threads today.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Iceberg. I still hate you.

 

[iceberg]

Iceberg. I still hate you.

well just don't think you're the lone ranger there.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

So now we do the same argument that we've already had in his thread only this time it's between shitheads

Ice and I banter too. We go at it. Thing is, he actually has some honor even if he is whinny.

 

[jeebus]

Been robbed twice by black guys in the last month. Yea, if there is a scruffy black teenager walking through my hood you can damn well bet he will be followed. Hey, I also chased out some fat white lesbians who were doing drugs, but what the hell. I am sure I will be called racist for following the teenager.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

Been robbed twice by black guys in the last month. Yea, if there is a scruffy black teenager walking through my hood you can damn well bet he will be followed. Hey, I also chased out some fat white lesbians who were doing drugs, but what the hell. I am sure I will be called racist for following the teenager.

I get it man. I get it. My only problem is he murdered the guy with a gun. They could have fought it out like men. But Zimmerman couldn't take his ass whooping like a man. He got banged up, or so he says. That doesn't mean you kill the guy, imo.

 

[iceberg]

I get it man. I get it. My only problem is he murdered the guy with a gun. They could have fought it out like men. But Zimmerman couldn't take his ass whooping like a man. He got banged up, or so he says. That doesn't mean you kill the guy, imo.

George Zimmerman called police, and started "walking in the same general direction to see where the individual was going," and get an address for police.

At one point, he said, Trayvon approached him saying, 'Do you have an f-ing problem?' George replied no and reached for his cellphone.

Trayvon "punched him in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete." Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him in the face, in his nose, hitting his head on the concrete."

"After nearly a minute of being beaten," Robert Zimmerman said George tried -- with Trayvon still on top of him -- to move away from the concrete onto the grass. In doing so, the gun he kept in a holster on his waist was exposed.

"Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of 'you're going to die now' or you're gonna die tonight' -- something to that effect," he said. "He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did."

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

George Zimmerman called police, and started "walking in the same general direction to see where the individual was going," and get an address for police.

At one point, he said, Trayvon approached him saying, 'Do you have an f-ing problem?' George replied no and reached for his cellphone.

Trayvon "punched him in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete." Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him in the face, in his nose, hitting his head on the concrete."

"After nearly a minute of being beaten," Robert Zimmerman said George tried -- with Trayvon still on top of him -- to move away from the concrete onto the grass. In doing so, the gun he kept in a holster on his waist was exposed.

"Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of 'you're going to die now' or you're gonna die tonight' -- something to that effect," he said. "He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did."

Do you have the audio? Because this has been a while and the sequence of events seems off.

 

[iceberg]

no. but this was reported quite a bit that martin did threaten zimmerman. he was the one to confront zimmerman cursing and starting the fight. you can argue zimmerman never should have followed, but if you're in a neighborhood where you don't live and robberies are the norm, are you going to really get upset if someone just wants to know you belong there? esp. if you're peeking in windows and acting suspicious?

like i said, you're going to believe what you want. but it's kinda hard to have audio that doesn't exist. did zimmerman lie about the threat? you either think he did or didn't and that's what you're going to believe.

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

no. but this was reported quite a bit that martin did threaten zimmerman. he was the one to confront zimmerman cursing and starting the fight. you can argue zimmerman never should have followed, but if you're in a neighborhood where you don't live and robberies are the norm, are you going to really get upset if someone just wants to know you belong there? esp. if you're peeking in windows and acting suspicious?

like i said, you're going to believe what you want. but it's kinda hard to have audio that doesn't exist. did zimmerman lie about the threat? you either think he did or didn't and that's what you're going to believe.

The police told him not to follow. And yeah, I think he lied about the threat as his defense of self-defense.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Lolol so much detail and yet he was beaten for a minute? and surely had a concussion if not brain trauma

" you will be deceased if I continue my unprovoked assault on you "