Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[superpunk]

Trust me guys, I'm a lifeguard at a hotel pool.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So if someone starts following you for no reason, you get scared/pissed/freaked out and something bad happens to the follower because rather than mind his own business he decided to harass someone, then you were a threat to start with?

Tell me more about this retarded form of logic. Does it have a name?

Well, when you put your self in harm's way, it's always in the area of a threat.

Midswat is just going by what cythim said. Maybe cythim should have chose his words carefully instead of going ABC news and Kaite Couric on us.

 

[jiggyfly]

I'm required to take first aid classes every year and cpr classes every 2 as part of my job. And I know for a fact that if you, or someone you know, swallows poison, you call a poison control center. Not 911.

There's a reason 911 operators are called "dispatch". Or "dispatchers".

My job does the same thing and at no point do they teach anybody what the duty of a 911 operator is, so what you just said is meaningless.

And a dispatcher is totally different from a 911 operator further illuminating how clueless you are on this subject.lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My job does the same thing and at no point do they teach anybody what the duty of a 911 operator is, so what you just said is meaningless.

You're a fucking moron, you know that?

Again, go ahead and drink a bottle of drain-O, then call 911.

And a dispatcher is totally different from a 911 operator further illuminating how clueless you are on this subject.lol

You are so out of your depth it's not even funny:

Public Safety Telecommunicator

Public safety dispatcher (also known as emergency dispatchers, Telecommunicators or 9-1-1 dispatchers) receive calls from individuals who need assistance from Firefighters, Police Officers, and Emergency Medical Services. Once information is obtained from the caller, these dispatchers activate the services necessary to respond to the nature of the call for help. Dispatchers are an integral part of the organization's success. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, about 36% of all dispatchers employed in the United States in 2004 were public safety dispatchers.[3]

A standard certification requirement for public safety dispatchers is Terminal Operator certification for access to the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database system. Access to this database system often allows additional access to the state-level system comparable to NCIC which allows public safety dispatchers to access motor vehicle registration and drivers license information as well as wants or warrants by various law enforcement agencies both statewide and national.

911 operator/dispatcher. Same. Fucking. Thing. You. Moron.

 

[superpunk]

Well, when you put your self in harm's way, it's always in the area of a threat.

A threat that you created by stalking a dude in the middle of the night for no reason?

 

[Midswat]

So if someone starts following you for no reason, you get scared/pissed/freaked out and something bad happens to the follower because rather than mind his own business he decided to harass someone, then you were a threat to start with?

Tell me more about this retarded form of logic. Does it have a name?[/QUOTE]

It's called common sense.

You're only putting yourself in harms way if you follow something that is a threat.

What proof do you have that Martin attacked Zimmerman?

Zimmerman could have easily attacked Martin and still received the same injuries.

Why are you making claims that have no facts to back them up?

Again, common sense.

Zimmerman was calling 9/11. He was making arrangements to get the police involved.

Girlfriend said she heard Martin say "Why are you following me?"

Followed by Zimmerman say "What are you doing out here?"

Then a scuffle and a disconnected call.

You're not going to convince me that a 5'9" Zimmerman is going to walk up to a 6'2" guy, and start a physical confrotation just moments after he got off the phone after making arrangements to get the police on the scene, and while carrying a loaded handgun.

That makes no sense.

Instead, what likely happened was, Martin attacked Zimmerman, got him on the ground, and started pounding his head into the pavement.


You guys know this is very likely what happened.

There's a reason why, after over a month, and investigation, and public outcry, charges have not been filed.

And it's not because of some racist cops/DA, or whatever.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Employment as a dispatcher does not usually require a level of education higher than a high school diploma.

Public safety dispatchers may also have to obtain certifications and attend additional training before they are employed by state or local governments to dispatch for police, fire, or emergency medical services

I already highlighted the additional training which is no more than clerical skill and access to secure databases. No law school reviews.

 

[Midswat]

A threat that you created by stalking a dude in the middle of the night for no reason?

Again, you're acknowledging he was a threat.

If Martin feared for his safety or well being, he could've ended the call with his gf, called 911 himself, called the people he was staying with, or double-timed it to where he was staying.

He chose to get into a physical altercation.

Wrong move.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

A threat that you created by stalking a dude in the middle of the night for no reason?

You can't put yourself in harm's way if there's no harm to face.

Otherwise it would be called, "happy, fun time".

 

[jiggyfly]

You're a fucking moron, you know that?



You are so out of your depth it's not even funny.

Public Safety Telecommunicator

Public safety dispatcher (also known as emergency dispatchers, Telecommunicators or 9-1-1 dispatchers) receive calls from individuals who need assistance from Firefighters, Police Officers, and Emergency Medical Services. Once information is obtained from the caller, these dispatchers activate the services necessary to respond to the nature of the call for help. Dispatchers are an integral part of the organization's success. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, about 36% of all dispatchers employed in the United States in 2004 were public safety dispatchers.[3]

A standard certification requirement for public safety dispatchers is Terminal Operator certification for access to the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database system. Access to this database system often allows additional access to the state-level system comparable to NCIC which allows public safety dispatchers to access motor vehicle registration and drivers license information as well as wants or warrants by various law enforcement agencies both statewide and national.

You said dispatcher only not public safety dispatcher, they are 2 different people in a department.

But thats semantics and it still does nothing back up your argument that they only obtain information and give no informed instructions.

 

[superpunk]

Reacting to a threat from an insane stalker?

You're a threat.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You said dispatcher only not public safety dispatcher, they are 2 different people in a department.

No, I didn't.

But thats semantics and it still does nothing back up your argument that they only obtain information and give no informed instructions.

Uh, it actually does. All they do is obtain information, punch it in their keyboards, while they are alerting the cops.

So the point still remains. What a 911 operator says to you isn't legal advice as they have no legal training or legal backbone to do so.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Reacting to a threat from an insane stalker?

You're a threat.

Hide yo kids. Hide yo wife.

 

[superpunk]

I can admit I don't know what happened at the moment of the physical confrontation what I do know is that Zimmermans story does not seem to fit the actual facts so far.

conveniently the only person who can dispute his version is dead

 

[jiggyfly]

Tell me more about this retarded form of logic. Does it have a name?

It's called common sense.

You're only putting yourself in harms way if you follow something that is a threat.







Again, common sense.

Zimmerman was calling 9/11. He was making arrangements to get the police involved.

Girlfriend said she heard Martin say "Why are you following me?"

Followed by Zimmerman say "What are you doing out here?"

Then a scuffle and a disconnected call.

You're not going to convince me that a 5'9" Zimmerman is going to walk up to a 6'2" guy, and start a physical confrotation just moments after he got off the phone after making arrangements to get the police on the scene, and while carrying a loaded handgun.

That makes no sense.

Instead, what likely happened was, Martin attacked Zimmerman, got him on the ground, and started pounding his head into the pavement.


You guys know this is very likely what happened.

There's a reason why, after over a month, and investigation, and public outcry, charges have not been filed.

And it's not because of some racist cops/DA, or whatever.

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Ok so you have no facts and are making a assumption based on what you think happened.

Why are you so sure he would not start a physical confrontation but you know he approached him a got close enough for Martin to strike him.

If some random dude follows you for no particular reason and then gets in your face don't you have the right to protect yourself why do you say he attacked instead of defended himself going by your scenario?

Like I said before you have no idea what happened yet for some reason its common sense the Martin attacked Zimmerman, that shows a confirmed bias on your part.

why would Zimmerman walk up to this 6'2 guy in the 1st place and it was 2 minutes after he got off the phone with police before this scuffle happened once again you are filling in gaps without using the actual facts that are available.

I can admit I don't know what happened at the moment of the physical confrontation what I do know is that Zimmermans story does not seem to fit the actual facts so far.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If some random dude follows you for no particular reason and then gets in your face don't you have the right to protect yourself why do you say he attacked instead of defended himself going by your scenario?

Protect yourself from what? Bad Breath?

I've watched Judge Judy enough to know, that if you put your hands on someone first, even if both parties are about to come to blows, you'll lose more times than you win.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

conveniently the only person who can dispute his version is dead

Conveniently to Trayvon's martyr status.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton get another notch in their belts.

 

[jiggyfly]

No, I didn't.



Uh, it actually does. All they do is obtain information, punch it in their keyboards, while they are alerting the cops.

So the point still remains. What a 911 operator says to you isn't legal advice as they have no legal training or legal backbone to do so.

Its a issue that can be used in court showing a disregard for informed advice and operators are trained to be informed of police policies and procedures. Anyway this is a very minor point in the case but its not totally irrelevant.

http://www.clintoncounty-ia.gov/page/911_Operator_Job_Description.aspx

REQUIRED SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY

Comprehensive knowledge of communications policies, principles, procedures and related local, state and federal rules and regulations.
Comprehensive knowledge of the functions and operations of the Communications Center and its related equipment and capabilities.
Comprehensive knowledge of the service areas (Clinton County) layout, including but not limited to, streets, highways and utilities.
Thorough understanding of the in-house computer system.
Skill in relating to persons in emergency situations.
Ability to relate to but not limited to supervisors, co-workers, and the general public.
Ability to maintain perspective and good judgement in high stress and life threatening situations.
Ability to speak clearly in a well modulated voice, use good diction and elocution.
Ability to operate the computer using specialized equipment and related software.
Ability to logical and creative thought processes to develop solutions according to written specifications and oral instructions on an inventive basis as necessary.
Comprehensive knowledge of records confidentiality and release laws
Ability to perform a wide variety of difficult communications and technical tasks with accuracy and speed under the pressure of time sensitive deadlines and in high stress emergency situations.
Ability to quickly learn and put to use new skill and knowledge brought about by rapid changing information and/or technology.
Ability to use wide variety of office equipment and other technical machines including fax machine, alarms etc.
Ingenuity and inventiveness in the performance of the assigned task.
Ability to control telephone conversations in order to efficiently obtain accurate information in order to provide correct, understandable instructions to the emergency responders.
Ability to receive and efficiently carry out instructions from the emergency responders.

 

[jiggyfly]

Protect yourself from what? Bad Breath?

I've watched Judge Judy enough to know, that if you put your hands on someone first, even if both parties are about to come to blows, you'll lose more times than you win.

From a guy following you for no reason and then approaching you in the dark.

But its great to know you are basing anything on watching Judge Judy.lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol you idiot. Did you not read the job description? You know, the actual tasks they are called on to perform?