The Pussification continues...

[MetalHead]

I remember playing tee ball when I was 6 or 7 and getting a trophy at the end of the year - along with every other kid. I remember thinking along the lines of "If everyone get's the same trophy no matter how they played or what the team did, what's the point? This is worthless."

That is the point.
Eliminate individual achievement.
When I played ball,only those who distinguished themselves earned accolades.
As a team,you wanted to have the best players,they as you know,help you win.
Now you have sport teams giving trophies away to even the ones to suck the most,so they don't "feel bad".
What that does is create a society of entitled individuals and we are seeing it come to fruition.
Instant gratification...all that shit Mr 2233 can't seem to assimilate.
They planned that shit long ago.

 

[2233boys]

This post reveals what 99% here think.
You are naive.

Who cares what 99% of the 10 posters here think? Most of you, not all, are ideologues who can't see past true own inane rhetoric.

For starters,there is an agenda on everything including education and athletics for children and young adults.

But you don't have an agenda?

Go play blind man and walk the earth if you so desire,because you just show us that you are unable to connect the dots.
More laws,more policies,laws,policies.Until when?..at what point will you realize that one day there will be a law that dictates which hand you must use to hold your dick while you pee?...oh wait,you probably pee sitting down,never mind.

So,as Ice said,Fuck You.

You don't understand what's going on or how the interscholastic sports system works. I've tried to explain, maybe I'm not doing a good enough job. I think it is more likely that you only see a governmental entity willing to investigate laws that may have been broken. Laws that are already on the books. You see AG and you closed your mind.

This a state athletic association policy! An athletic association that is made up by member schools, who actually have a say in the policies. State association that isn't part of the government and membership isn't mandatory.

I would wager 98% of the state association across the country have policies like this already. I know for a fact PA does.

 

[2233boys]

That is the point.
Eliminate individual achievement.
When I played ball,only those who distinguished themselves earned accolades.
As a team,you wanted to have the best players,they as you know,help you win.
Now you have sport teams giving trophies away to even the ones to suck the most,so they don't "feel bad".
What that does is create a society of entitled individuals and we are seeing it come to fruition.
Instant gratification...all that shit Mr 2233 can't seem to assimilate.
They planned that shit long ago.

Who in this thread is advocating that? Nobody!

You really need to stay out and let the grown ups talk, take iceberg with you. Take notes from Irving and VTA they may not agree with me but they can at least discuss what is going on intelligently and coherently. Plus they stay on topic and for the most part leave the ideology at the door.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

This isn't big brother, this isn't government interference, this isn't necessarily going to cost you Joe Citizen anything; the NJIAA and their member schools saw a need for the policy so they instituted it.

If that was the case, and it stopped right there, I'm pretty sure most everyone here would be willing to watch the "Association" flex it's tiny little muscles on some fan who told the opposing QB that he sucked, and that his girlfriend should be out there. However, that's not the case.

Acting New Jersey Attorney General John J. Hoffman told the Post-Courier: "High school sports should be about building character and instilling life-lessons about grace, courage, teamwork, and adversity. Sometimes, we lose sight of those lessons on the field and in the stands."
He added, "I thank the coalition for bringing the issue to our attention, and the NJSIAA for taking steps to address an important concern. We stand ready to work with both groups to ensure compliance with the new rules, going forward."

The AG really doesn't have his priorities straight if he's putting this issue on the front burner. He should stay out of it completely.

 

[MetalHead]

I've tried to explain, maybe I'm not doing a good enough job.

This shit is simple...polishing the turd is when it gets complicated.
You a trying to polish a turd.
You are wrong,just too bullheaded to admit it.

 

[2233boys]

This shit is simple...polishing the turd is when it gets complicated.
You a trying to polish a turd.
You are wrong,just too bullheaded to admit it.

Flush

 

[2233boys]

If that was the case, and it stopped right there, I'm pretty sure most everyone here would be willing to watch the "Association" flex it's tiny little muscles on some fan who told the opposing QB that he sucked, and that his girlfriend should be out there. However, that's not the case.

That is the policy and that is the case.
If laws are broken the authorities would brought in/notified.

The AG really doesn't have his priorities straight if he's putting this issue on the front burner. He should stay out of it completely.

If laws are broken wouldn't that be his job?

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Show me a LAW (not a "policy" or an ordinance) that says it is illegal to trash-talk to an opposing team and I will concede that you are right.

Until then you (nor the AG) don't have a dog in this fight.

 

[Jon88]

Show me a LAW (not a "policy" or an ordinance) that says it is illegal to trash-talk to an opposing team and I will concede that you are right.

Until then you (nor the AG) don't have a dog in this fight.

"I do."

 

[2233boys]

Show me a LAW (not a "policy" or an ordinance) that says it is illegal to trash-talk to an opposing team and I will concede that you are right.

Until then you (nor the AG) don't have a dog in this fight.

The state has a anti bullying law. The AG office involvement would be related to issues that are harassing statements related to gender, race, ethnicity, disability, sexual orientation or religion. I assume (logical assumption) those are the instances when that law would be used since they were the only instances described. The you suck taunts weren't included.

 

[2233boys]

From the NJIAA constitution and bylaws

In addition to the NJSIAA disciplinary action, any violations of our sportsmanship rule, including, but not
limited to disqualifications in the area of racial, ethnic, gender bias, will result in the NJSIAA contacting and working directly with the Conference and Community Agency (Human Rights/Civil Rights Group) which focuses in on this important aspect of social behavior as it relates to athletics

The also discuss physical violence and inciting fans and spectators to verbal or physical abuse.

 

[2233boys]

It is a little concerning that isn't clearer in there constitution.

 

[Jon88]

It is a little concerning that isn't clearer in there constitution.

their

 

[Irving Cowboy]

We have come full-circle here... it was originally established by someone else in this thread that fricking with someone during a game about their race, disability, etc. is beyond trash-talk. The attempt to lump statements like "You are too short to cover him, get back to the oompa-loompa factory" is trash-talk. Or is it? I mean, is the player's being short considered a disability? You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube once you start down this road of delineating what someone can rib someone about. Whereas some would say it's too subjective, I say it's exactly the opposite.

God forbid someone gets their feelings hurt out there for crying out loud. Is that what this is about? Not hurting one's feelings?

 

[Irving Cowboy]

The also discuss physical violence and inciting fans and spectators to verbal or physical abuse.

That is clearly breaking the law. Way over the top of "trash-talking". You are trying to lump everything together.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

their

You clearly don't know what you are starting.

 

[2233boys]

We have come full-circle here... it was originally established by someone else in this thread that fricking with someone during a game about their race, disability, etc. is beyond trash-talk. The attempt to lump statements like "You are too short to cover him, get back to the oompa-loompa factory" is trash-talk. Or is it? I mean, is the player's being short considered a disability? You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube once you start down this road of delineating what someone can rib someone about. Whereas some would say it's too subjective, I say it's exactly the opposite.

God forbid someone gets their feelings hurt out there for crying out loud. Is that what this is about? Not hurting one's feelings?

The whole issue is that you and others think that the AG will get involved in simple trash talking, I don't believe that is the case and said so many times. It delineates the situations in the original article where he may get involved. (Something else I've pointed out many times.) The article even mentioned guidelines and punishment for trash talking during games, and I have discussed that as well.

As I said in the beginning you and others who think like you on this topic are making a big deal about a policy that belongs in high school sports, and in fact is a policy already in many other states.

It isn't about someone getting their feelings hurt it is about the integrity of the game and playing a sport for the love of it and competition. Trash talking isn't needed. You do it you get kicked out of the game, and you sit the next two or one in case of football it is at it should be.

 

[2233boys]

That is clearly breaking the law. Way over the top of "trash-talking". You are trying to lump everything together.

No that is what their policy says along with violations that resulted in disqualification for using racial, ethnic, gender bias. I never said simple trash taking should go to the AG or was breaking a law. I have stated numerous times what the original article eluded to are reasons his office would get involved and even stated a state law. Go back and show me where I said I'd be ok with someone being arrested for simple trash talking. I didn't. I said they should be kicked out of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct. You and others can't tell the difference. You and others have advocated that trash talking is part of the game. I have said it isn't.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Go back to one of my scenarios... a 6'3" WR is being covered by a 5'7" CB. Should a fan be ejected for screaming at the CB that he doesn't have a chance in covering the guy worth a shit? Or, God forbid, what if the WR says something to him? Should he be ejected too? Seriously... this can get out of hand because unfortunately, I'm sure not everyone has as good a grip on the limits of this "policy" like you do...

Obviously you and everyone else are not going to agree unless we say that all any HS athlete should hear in an arena either home or away are cheers.

Maybe we can put little pinwheel holders in back of their shoes, too.

 

[2233boys]

Yes the fan should be ejected. Without question we are talking about kids here.

Did the referee hear him? It will come down to the referees discretion because they are the people that enforce it during games. Taunting is an unsportsmanlike penalty trash talking fits into that category, the kid could be ejected. How hard is that to understand. It isn't rocket science. This isn't a new rule for most states.

You're being childish.