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I don't always agree with Ann Coulter, but one thing she is very good at is making her arguments using sound facts. She is no fan of Trump's if you follow her over the last few years. She believes he failed to keep his promises on the border, and she is almost a 1 issue voter when it comes to the border.

In any case, read this article to get a better understanding of why the Trump prosecution is such a joke.

https://anncoulter.com/2024/06/05/how-liberals-pay-off-their-bimbos/
 

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The sounds of a lying, corrupt government and media. Doing exactly what all Communist governments do.

 

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The sounds of a lying, corrupt government and media. Doing exactly what all Communist governments do.



I saw this on Twitter. How is this not one "in kind" contribution after another? How is it not a crime considering Trump's conviction? If it was one thing maybe we could excuse it as a mistake, but Russia collusion, "good people on both sides", Ukraine phone call, Jan 6, E Jean Carroll, this laptop story and now the conviction in NY. The media has consistently sided with the Democrats and their lies. This is the greatest threat to Democracy facing America today.
 

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whats the detail on this?

Meaning what actually occurred vs what the media claimed?
They said Trump asked the Ukrainian President to look into the business dealings Biden and his son were having within the country.

I can't recall exactly what the supposed whistle blower said Trump did, though IIRC he claimed that Trump told Zelensky that if they found dirt on Biden he would basically reward Ukraine with money. But the fake news fell apart when Trump promised to release the full, unredacted memo of the phone call. (Trump referenced when Biden bragged about having someone fired if they didnt shut down an investigation there, which was 100% true and is on audio/video)

 

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whats the detail on this?

Meaning what actually occurred vs what the media claimed?

The media reported the WhistleBlower complaint as fact when there were many inconsistencies between the complaint and the actual transcript of the phone call.

To begin with, the WB claimed "more than half a dozen" US officials were the source of his information over a period of months. It came out later it was really only LT Col Vindman was the source of the phone call content.

Remember too, the bulk of the complaint was really about Trump's policy towards Ukraine. This is the presidents prerogative. The media sided with the WB, because it was Trump of course.

The WB claimed Trump "sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the presidents 2020 reelection bid." Trump never mentioned the election and he applied no pressure. The transcript show Trump asked Zelensky to help with an investigation being conducted by Bill Barr.

The WB claimed WH officials were deeply disturbed by what occurred on the phone call. But in reality is was only Vindman who was deeply disturbed. As impeachment hearings testimony showed, most officials were not "deeply" disturbed by what Trump said. They were more disappointed with Trump's policy towards Ukraine. WH officials also testified they were concerned about the appearance of Hunter Biden's role with Burisma and how it looked considering his father was VP.

The main point is, Trump asked Zelensky to help Bill Barr, which is a legitimate request for the head of the executive branch. Trump did mention reports of corruption in Ukraine, the firing of the prosecutor, and that the Bidens were reportedly involved in that corruption - all of which is fact. Democrats and the WB seemed to imply that investigating Biden was off limits - while investigating every aspect of Trump's business and life, including his family interests.

The media basically bought into the WB story - pushed by Adam Schiff entirely while completely ignoring the evidence of Biden family involvement in unseemly things in Ukraine. We now know Joe's involvement was much deeper than he claimed in 2020.

There is much more to this, including some allegations by the WB that never happened. I suggest reading the transcript of the call and the WB complaint. The difference will shock you. But the media ignored all of it and just took the narrative.
 

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. I suggest reading the transcript of the call and the WB complaint

thanks for the reply, do you have a source handy for these you can share?

I seem to recall the phone call being played on the news, is the full phone call available to listen to (that Trump made)
 

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Why would an anti-Trump, abuser of power alert Trump's attorney's to this?
The conspiracy theory running around is the Dems were looking for an "out" on this after seeing another ridiculous scheme blow up in their face.
 

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Oh gee what a shock...



Yes, if this is legitimate, it would result in a mistrial, or should. The juror could be guilty of a crime. But it looks like this was some idiot posting a fake message for whatever stupid reason. Still, it has to be investigated by the judge to make sure. This should not take long.

I do believe, even if this is fake, once the sentence is read by the judge and the case becomes final, we will see the jurors come out from under the rocks where they are hiding to gloat about the verdict. We will find in sort order that none of them really has a clue what crime Trump committed. We will see that one or two jurors lied to get on the jury. They probably all did, but only a couple will be dumb enough to admit it.
 
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