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My first comment is if Trump did the things he is accused of, and I am not talking about the willful retention of documents which is silly, then he is guilty of being a moron. It just makes no sense to play theses games with evidence knowing you are under investigation and knowing how desperate Democrat DAs are to catch you doing something wrong. Imagine if Trump did not move boxes around to hide them from the DOJ. Then the only charges would be 31 counts of willful retention of documents. No one would argue that is worth an indictment of a former president.

But now, in addition to the charges of moving boxes to hide them, Trump is accused of asking his underlings to delete security camera footage at Mar-a-Lago. Again, if true, this was an incredibly stupid thing for Trump to do. He turned a minor unprosecutable case into case into a near slam dunk. After watching Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and others raided and indicted for being Trump's confidants, how could he possibly believe the DOJ would not press low level players to turn on Trump and admit to crimes?

Again, I preface all of this with "if he did it", because Jack Smith is known for manufacturing evidence.

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Like all other things the Dems and opposition have made up for 7 yrs, this is likely BS too

Also if you recall, the Biden FBI/DOJ people initially insisted Trump turn off all his security cameras for their "raid" as well. And that part was FACT.
 
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Biden openly acknowledges 7th grandchild, the daughter of son Hunter and an Arkansas woman

President Joe Biden on Friday for the first time publicly acknowledged his seventh grandchild, a 4-year-old girl fathered by his son Hunter with an Arkansas woman, Lunden Roberts, in 2018.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Friday for the first time publicly acknowledged his seventh grandchild, a 4-year-old girl fathered by his son Hunter with an Arkansas woman, Lunden Roberts, in 2018.

“Our son Hunter and Navy’s mother, Lunden, are working together to foster a relationship that is in the best interests of their daughter, preserving her privacy as much as possible going forward,” Biden said in a statement. It was his first acknowledgement of the child.

“Jill and I only want what is best for all of our grandchildren, including Navy.”

Hunter Biden’s paternity was established by DNA testing after Roberts sued for child support, and the two parties recently resolved outstanding child support issues.

Hunter Biden was ordered last month to sit for a deposition under oath to answer questions about his finances. He also asked for his child support payments to be reduced after he reached an original settlement with Roberts in 2020.

As part of the deal, Hunter Biden will give some of his paintings to his daughter, which can vary in size with a minimum size of 24×24, per the settlement. His daughter will be able to select which paintings will be sent to her or to a gallery designated by Roberts.

The settlement says “the net proceeds of any sales of paintings shall be wired to an account designated by Lunden Roberts.”

Roberts asked for Hunter Biden to be held in contempt of court and jailed for allegedly not complying with court orders to turn over financial records.

Hunter Biden has four other kids, three adult children with whom he welcomed with ex-wife Kathleen Buhle and his youngest son, Beau Biden Jr., whom he welcomed with current wife Melissa Cohen in 2020.

Cohen and Hunter Biden married in May 2019 in Los Angeles, California, just six days after meeting. Speaking with ABC News exclusively, Hunter Biden said five months after the marriage, "I instantly fell in love with her. And then I've fallen in love with her more every day."

The couple met through a friend of hers, who wrote Melissa's phone number onto Hunter's hand and insisted he call her. Hunter got a "shalom" tattoo to match Melissa's within days of meeting her and they were married at her apartment less than a week later; neither had their families in attendance and the wedding photos were taken by a friend on a cellphone.
 
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Creeper said:
My first comment is if Trump did the things he is accused of, and I am not talking about the willful retention of documents which is silly, then he is guilty of being a moron. It just makes no sense to play theses games with evidence knowing you are under investigation and knowing how desperate Democrat DAs are to catch you doing something wrong. Imagine if Trump did not move boxes around to hide them from the DOJ. Then the only charges would be 31 counts of willful retention of documents. No one would argue that is worth an indictment of a former president.

But now, in addition to the charges of moving boxes to hide them, Trump is accused of asking his underlings to delete security camera footage at Mar-a-Lago. Again, if true, this was an incredibly stupid thing for Trump to do. He turned a minor unprosecutable case into case into a near slam dunk. After watching Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and others raided and indicted for being Trump's confidants, how could he possibly believe the DOJ would not press low level players to turn on Trump and admit to crimes?

Again, I preface all of this with "if he did it", because Jack Smith is known for manufacturing evidence.

https://www.westernjournal.com/new-charges-unveiled-trump-mar-lago-documents-case/
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Color me unimpressed by these charges. When the underlying criminal theory is flawed, then stacking more crimes relative to that theory is BS. It's like charging a coroner with desecration of a body then stacking a destruction of evidence crime.

I'm not losing sight of the Left's goals here. They don't care if Trump goes to jail. They just don't want him to run and if he runs, they want him to lose. They're taking the shotgun approach: keep him off the ballot and if he is off any state ballots, then the Left knows full well he'll be a write in candidate for millions of voters, thus splitting the Republican votes and ensuring Biden or whatever Leftist gets 4 more years. These crooks are ideologues and treasonous traitors. They have a long game. They're trying to damage Trump by leaking photos of the search warrant and things that, on the outside, appear damning. But Biden is allowed to give back the fruits of his crimes without any repercussions and then the DoJ makes another novel theory that since The Fraud gave some back, he cooperated and thus shouldn't be charged. And if reports are accurate, he has 1850 more boxes and he's still not charged.

I'm not falling for any of it. They're charging his assistants in an effort to get them to flip on Trump. And they might when faced with the overwhelming pressure and resources of the government. And that will be the next narrative in the ultimate hopes that good people like you will take another view of the case and forget about the fact that the whole thing is BS and no crime was committed in the first place.

The more Trump speaks, the more I can understand the guy. When he claimed this was election interference, I thought he was off base. But the more we see, the more I believe the man is right. If Trump wasn't running for President, the Left wouldn't give two shits.
 
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Color me unimpressed by these charges. When the underlying criminal theory is flawed, then stacking more crimes relative to that theory is BS. It's like charging a coroner with desecration of a body then stacking a destruction of evidence crime.

I'm not losing sight of the Left's goals here. They don't care if Trump goes to jail. They just don't want him to run and if he runs, they want him to lose. They're taking the shotgun approach: keep him off the ballot and if he is off any state ballots, then the Left knows full well he'll be a write in candidate for millions of voters, thus splitting the Republican votes and ensuring Biden or whatever Leftist gets 4 more years. These crooks are ideologues and treasonous traitors. They have a long game. They're trying to damage Trump by leaking photos of the search warrant and things that, on the outside, appear damning. But Biden is allowed to give back the fruits of his crimes without any repercussions and then the DoJ makes another novel theory that since The Fraud gave some back, he cooperated and thus shouldn't be charged. And if reports are accurate, he has 1850 more boxes and he's still not charged.

I'm not falling for any of it. They're charging his assistants in an effort to get them to flip on Trump. And they might when faced with the overwhelming pressure and resources of the government. And that will be the next narrative in the ultimate hopes that good people like you will take another view of the case and forget about the fact that the whole thing is BS and no crime was committed in the first place.

The more Trump speaks, the more I can understand the guy. When he claimed this was election interference, I thought he was off base. But the more we see, the more I believe the man is right. If Trump wasn't running for President, the Left wouldn't give two shits.
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Has anyone noticed how the charges against Trump are almost identical to the actions of Hillary and her email server? Now Trump is being accused of asking minions to delete video tapes which are rightfully his to delete. This is analogous to Hillary deleting 33,000 email which she said were personal. If Hillary can delete 33,000 emails claiming they were personal then why shouldn't Trump be able to delete video from security cameras in his own home? It doesn't get more personal than that.

Of course there was election interference in 2020. The entire COVID debacle was election interference. How convenient we have a pandemic that began almost exactly as the campaign season began. Then Democrats forced the country closed to damage the economy and make people miserable. This was all done to effect the elections outcome. If not for COVID, Trump would have won in a landslide. But it didn't end there. Democrats used COVID as an excuse to skirt state laws and mandate mail-in balloting so they could ballot harvest and manufacture votes. The fact they did this unlawfully in many states is completely overlooked.
 
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Democrats used COVID as an excuse to skirt state laws and mandate mail-in balloting so they could ballot harvest and manufacture votes. The fact they did this unlawfully in many states is completely overlooked.
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I was talking to a buddy this morning about the complete breakdown of our checks and balances. And the end result is what we are currently seeing and a complete breakdown of our way of life.

At one time, the SCOTUS ruled that slavery was legal and that black Americans were not covered by the Constitution (Dred Scott). It took some courage to right that wrong.

Our current judges lack courage. There is no avenue for a victim of a corrupt system to reign in these traitors.

Also, to your point of "if (Trump) did the things he's accused of in the second indictment, this is what he posted on Truth Social:

"MAR-A-LAGO SECURITY TAPES WERE NOT DELETED. THEY WERE VOLUNTARILY HANDED OVER TO THE THUGS, HEADED UP BY DERANGED JACK SMITH. WE DID NOT EVEN GO TO COURT TO STOP THEM FROM GETTING THESE TAPES. I NEVER TOLD ANYBODY TO DELETE THEM. PROSECUTORIAL FICTION & MISCONDUCT! ELECTION INTERFERENCE!"

And later...............

"The Crooked Election Interference “Thugs” from the DOJ, headed by the worst Thug of them all, Deranged Jack Smith, are now admitting that the Mar-a-Lago Security Tapes were NOT DELETED. That’s not what they were illegally leaking to the press. These guys should be prosecuted for MISCONDUCT. Also, whatever happened to Crooked Joe’s Documents? Where are the ones he sent and stored in Chinatown? Is Deranged Jack going to Indict him for this and, at the same time, receiving BRIBES FROM CHINA?"
 
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And now we have this: DOJ is attempting to arrest Devon Archer just hours before he’s scheduled to testify about the Biden’s corruption and foreign influence peddling. SDNY Damian Williams issued the letter Saturday telling Judge Abrams to order Devon Archer to report IMMEDIATELY.

The level of corruption is off the charts.......
 
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Has anyone noticed how the charges against Trump are almost identical to the actions of Hillary and her email server? Now Trump is being accused of asking minions to delete video tapes which are rightfully his to delete. This is analogous to Hillary deleting 33,000 email which she said were personal. If Hillary can delete 33,000 emails claiming they were personal then why shouldn't Trump be able to delete video from security cameras in his own home? It doesn't get more personal than that.

Of course there was election interference in 2020. The entire COVID debacle was election interference. How convenient we have a pandemic that began almost exactly as the campaign season began. Then Democrats forced the country closed to damage the economy and make people miserable. This was all done to effect the elections outcome. If not for COVID, Trump would have won in a landslide. But it didn't end there. Democrats used COVID as an excuse to skirt state laws and mandate mail-in balloting so they could ballot harvest and manufacture votes. The fact they did this unlawfully in many states is completely overlooked.
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Hillary also destroyed laptops and smart phones.

FBI and DOJ....quiet as mice
 
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I was talking to a buddy this morning about the complete breakdown of our checks and balances. And the end result is what we are currently seeing and a complete breakdown of our way of life.

At one time, the SCOTUS ruled that slavery was legal and that black Americans were not covered by the Constitution (Dred Scott). It took some courage to right that wrong.

Our current judges lack courage. There is no avenue for a victim of a corrupt system to reign in these traitors.

Also, to your point of "if (Trump) did the things he's accused of in the second indictment, this is what he posted on Truth Social:

"MAR-A-LAGO SECURITY TAPES WERE NOT DELETED. THEY WERE VOLUNTARILY HANDED OVER TO THE THUGS, HEADED UP BY DERANGED JACK SMITH. WE DID NOT EVEN GO TO COURT TO STOP THEM FROM GETTING THESE TAPES. I NEVER TOLD ANYBODY TO DELETE THEM. PROSECUTORIAL FICTION & MISCONDUCT! ELECTION INTERFERENCE!"

And later...............

"The Crooked Election Interference “Thugs” from the DOJ, headed by the worst Thug of them all, Deranged Jack Smith, are now admitting that the Mar-a-Lago Security Tapes were NOT DELETED. That’s not what they were illegally leaking to the press. These guys should be prosecuted for MISCONDUCT. Also, whatever happened to Crooked Joe’s Documents? Where are the ones he sent and stored in Chinatown? Is Deranged Jack going to Indict him for this and, at the same time, receiving BRIBES FROM CHINA?"
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I understood the tapes were not deleted, and frankly they are Trump's tapes to delete, like when Hillary deleted her personal emails under subpoena. But I believe he is accused of conspiracy which does not require the tapes to be deleted only that there was more than one person involved in an attempt to obstruct justice. But charging documents are very one sided and do not provide any exculpatory evidence. We will get more facts when/if we hear the case.

But the most egregious violation of Trump's rights is definitely the breaching of attorney-client privilege. Courts only allow this when the client and attorney are in cahoots to violate the law. But Trump's attorneys were not charged with any crimes or accused of any crimes. In fact, the charging documents claim Trump kept his attorneys in the dark about his attempts to hide documents from the DOJ. Yet, Smith used privileged conversations between Trump and his lawyers in his indictment. I cannot believe any judge would allow this. It is a serious enough violation of Trump's rights to get the entire case thrown out with prejudice. During the investigation of Hillary, the DOJ went out of its way to not violate A-C privilege even though there was evidence that Hillary's lawyers were directly involved in the destruction of evidence.
 
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The misconception is that Joe Biden had to personally benefit financially for there to be a crime. This is false. Even if Biden allowed himself to be used by his son so that his family could benefit financially, as the did, that is also a crime. But we have testimony from a confidential human source that Biden was paid $5 million to fire Ukraine's top prosecutor so that Burisma, the company that hired Hunter onto their board despite his record of misconduct and no experience in the oil and gas industry, could avoid a potential investigation into corruption. I don't know how much more evidence is necessary to impeach Biden and arrest him on charges of public corruption and bribery.
 
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It is beyond reprehensible what this government is doing to anyone they deem "opposition"

This piece of shit Jack Smith should be busting rocks or executed, like so many in the Marxist Party of the US.

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‘There Is No Smoking Gun’: Alan Dershowitz Says It’s Unlikely Jan. 6 Indictment Against Trump Will ‘Survive’

Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said Tuesday it was unlikely that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Capitol-riot-related indictment of former President
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“This indictment strikes me as an amateurish joke. Frankly, Jack Smith, the special counsel, should be indicted for stupidity, it’s that bad,” Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett said. “But he has this disreputable habit of bringing politically-driven prosecutions by contorting the law and mangling the evidence.”

Smith prosecuted then-Republican Gov. Bob McDowell of Virginia over receiving gifts, and secured a conviction on multiple charges that the Supreme Court unanimously threw out in 2015.

“I’ve never seen an indictment this messy and sloppy in my life,” former acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker said. “Really at the end of the day, they are saying it is not, it should be a matter of what Donald Trump thought or didn’t think but instead, they tried to use a reasonable person test to suggest that because Director [of National Intelligence John] Radcliffe, Attorney General Barr and others had told president that he lost, somehow, no reasonable person would believe that.”
 
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Another complete fucking slime ball.

Who gives a shit what this asshat thinks anyway? He's polling at like 2% or something because everyone knows he is nothing more than a swamp turd Rino.

Oh, and a special FUCK YOU to Fox News, making this their lead story and celebrating it like it's some sort of a gem.

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Pence comes out swinging at Trump following Jan 6 indictment: 'Should never be president'

Former Vice President Mike Pence came out swinging at former President Trump following his indictment on charges related to Jan. 6 and efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
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