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defense isnt going to play spectacular..whens the last time they played spectacular? been a while..whens the last time our D played spectacular vs the Giants? also been a long while..our D just has to be better than the reeling giants D

Agreed but the giants played really well today. If both teams play the same way Sunday we lose by 20.

Giants lost the game on a horrible call.

Gilbride owned wade, rob Ryan has to make a name for himself with the next four games.

The defense is going to have to win two games for us in december. We can't get put in shootouts and we can't be behind by double digits.

We need a suffocating defense that gets turnovers to help romo and the offense function.
 
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Say what you want, but the D got a stop when we needed it today at the end. They had to punt and we drove down the field with 25 seconds to go in order to win this game. It's not like we were going to shut them out.

The loss is solely on Garrett. We had no turnovers, no huge blunders by Romo, and we contained their feature players.
 

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I say we kidnap Garrett and take him out to the desert and drop him off with no sun screen.

Would that be considered murder?
 

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His excuse about risking negative yards there pisses me off so much. We were running well for a stretch in that game until he completely abandoned it and went back into air ginger mode. I mean...this stuff is a problem whether we win or lose. The guy is clueless. He's getting by on Romo's talent.


It could be 1st and goal with the ball on the ONE INCH LINE, and we could have Emmitt Smith in his prime, with Moose Johnston in his prime leading the way, and have the Cowboys' Oline that consisted of Tuinei, Newton, Stepnoski, Allen, and Williams, and this son-of-a-bitch would still call a pass play on ALL THREE DOWNS. He's INCORRIGIBLE.

If it wasn't for stupidy, it'd be sabotague.
 

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It was Jim zorn esque.

completely mystifying.

The first qtr field goal try made no sense and the final sequence was just horrendous.

He likes to pass the buck on blame however, he was more than happy to let rob Ryan take blame and Tony romo take blame for losses earlier this year.

He needs to go call the game of his life Sunday to make up for this.

Whisenhunt was laughing at him in the post game pc...saying he was glad they iced their own kicker.

Amazing. The only thing this season is missing is a Terrell Owens type melt down from someone.


Considering NOW what we know, can you blame T.O. for melting down?
 

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Wrong.

Kitna lost to jax, gb, Philly, new orleans and put us in a 14-0 hole in Arizona.

Kitna beat ny, washington, indy and detroit.

Kitna was one of the reasons we lost to the saints. He had Austin open down the field all night and couldn't get him the ball....

Romo carries this team, he evens out all the mstakes and makes up for the repeated coaching gaffes. When he makes a mistake it is blown out of proportion, when he covers others mistakes as a constant occurrence it is glossed over.

Romo has made garrett. Today was a perfect example. Garrett simply cannot figure out how to slow down cards blitzing but romo takes a beating and makes up for it. In the end romo made the throw to win the game, yet the hc negated a game winning fg with a call that will never make any sense.


I've said this before. That 13-3 season in 2007, where Romo had a career year. The coaching aspect was ALL Sparano. But everyone thought it was the "genius" Garrett. We've let both Payton and Sparano walk and now we are seeing the results.
 

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Garrett has some splaining to do....

*After the Romo QB sneak, they reviewed the play. Garrett should have had the next play called and the offense should have been ready to snap the ball as soon as the challenge was over. Instead, Garrett is talking to Romo casually on the sideline, probably giving him option B through Z. End result: More time comes off the clock, the crowd get crazy loud, and we have a false start.

*Dez caught the ball with 20 plus seconds left. Use a fucking timeout! Call a run play to get a few yards closer, use second time out, and have 3 seconds left on the clock when we attempt the FG. Spike the ball with 7 seconds left? What does that accomplish???

*I was at the game so I didn't even know Garrett iced Bailey. We assumed it was Arizona. That is a special amount of stupid.


That was the bullshit that set all of this in motion. This doesn't absolve Garrett by any stretch. But how the fuck is there a review needed when the pile was nearly 3 yards beyond the 1st down marker? That review was intended to stymie the Cowboys momentum, and give the Cardinals a much needed break to catch themselves and settle in with the added benefit of not having to burn a timeout.

If the refs on the field are not screwing us, then it's the ones in the booth. I've never seen such a thing.
 

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*I was at the game so I didn't even know Garrett iced Bailey. We assumed it was Arizona. That is a special amount of stupid.


I'm not upset about this as the rest. I'm more upset because for the third straight time, we failed to put away an inferior team and thus needed either a last second FG or going into overtime, because of lousy playcalling throughout the entire game.
 

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I'm at a loss. I can't understand why, with 2 timeouts, we wouldn't call one when Dez caught that pass with 25 seconds left. It's beyond me.

We go up and spike it, running 18 seconds off... then call a TO after the spike? WTF?

This is what gets me more than the timeout before the FG. We werent close enough for it to be considered a gimmee, especially after Bailey had kicked two bad long ones already (one bad miss, the other he got lucky on)

Mind boggingly stupid IMO.
 

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Where is Dbair when you need him I'm sure there is someway to put this on Romo.

I'm here, I put my two cents in. It was painfully stupid, although Romo doesnt understand game situations any better himself otherwise he'd have called the timeout after the completion like any other veteran QB with half a brain would have done.

He deserves some blame in this, but ultimately the damn HC has to have a better idea of game management/clock management than what we saw. Especially a HC that played in this league and actually played QB himself.
 

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I've said this before. That 13-3 season in 2007, where Romo had a career year. The coaching aspect was ALL Sparano. But everyone thought it was the "genius" Garrett. We've let both Payton and Sparano walk and now we are seeing the results.

This isnt true.
 

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My instant analysis:

1. The coaches cost us this game--offense, defense, and special teams. I can let Garrett off the hook for the TO on the kick, because he was reacting to DeCamillis and Boniol, but what was he thinking letting the last 1:30 expire without trying to get the ball a little closer? It was clear that Bailey had developed a case of the yips, so why test him like that?

2. I've not seen anything this year that convinces me that Rob Ryan is anything special, either as a strategist, a motivator, or an in-game playcaller. The performance by his defense in clutch situations hardly recommends him as HC material, so I think a lot of other guys are going to get a look before he does.

3. I've seen enough of Joe DeCamillis. He's got to go after this season, and judging from Jerry's reaction to the TO and the subsequent miss, Joe D might have gone down the river beyond the point of no return. Jerry looked like he could've chewed concrete, and this could be the capper on an already dismal season for the "not-so-special" teams.

4. The coaches deserve the blame for this game, but let's face it, there are some guys on this team that you just can't win with, like Terrence Newman, Gerald Sensabaugh, Frank Walker, Alan Ball, and Martellus Bennett. You can also ask legitimate questions about Orlando Scandrick, Felix Jones, and a few other guys. The Cowboys are going to need to turn this roster over again during the offseason, and hopefully they'll continue to find talented character guys like Sean Lee that will be key roleplayers on a winner.

5. We'd all better hope that Dan Bailey just has a case of the 24-hour yips, because if not we're in trouble. Granted that all of his kicks were long and challenging, but it looked like his technique has gone south all of a sudden, and hopefully he'll be able to straighten himself out this week.

6. We'd also better hope that DeMarcus ware just has a case of 24-hour neck sprain. We're not going anywhere with him on the sideline.

7. Did anyone notice the vast difference between the cover technique played by Patrick Peterson and that played by ANYONE on our defense? Don't our coaches coach our guys to turn and look for the ball? Can't the Cowboys' personnel guys find players who can run forward and look backwards at the same time? Year in and year out our secondary proves to be incapable of staying with a receiver and making a play, and it's gotten way past old.

8. It's really hard to get too worked up about the loss because, after all, this is still an average team and any playoff contention or participation is gravy, but do the Cowboys ALWAYS have to find the most painful way to lose?

9. Unlike a lot of fans, I'm not ready to bail on Jason Garrett as the HC. I think he's got this team turned in the right direction, and I can't wait to see what he can do with free agency, another draft, and an offseason program. He has a young team, and I believe he's slowly toughening them and molding them into winners, but it's going to take another year or two before it all comes together. At the very least he deserves the chance to see where this goes, and how his particular stamp on this team looks on the field.

10. This next week will be a challenge, because this was a very deflating loss for this team, one that raises all those December demons all over again. More than that, the Giants played very competitively today against perhaps the best team in the league, and they'll probably be energized by taking them to the final play of the game. They have every reason to believe that they can come into Dallas next week and win, while I'm not so sure that the Cowboys' confidence is where it will need to be next Sunday night. We'll see, and this will be a real test of Garrett's abilities as HC.

This will be very interesting week in Dallas.
 

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Clutch88;115698]My instant analysis:

1. The coaches cost us this game--offense, defense, and special teams. I can let Garrett off the hook for the TO on the kick, because he was reacting to DeCamillis and Boniol, but what was he thinking letting the last 1:30 expire without trying to get the ball a little closer? It was clear that Bailey had developed a case of the yips, so why test him like that?

I think there were 25 or 26 seconds left at the time Bryant caught the pass and went down. They should have definitely called timeout immediately and ran another couple plays. They still had another timeout and could have tried a safe play like adraw or screen. It was incredibly boneheaded to depdn on making a 48 yd FG when Bailey had already shown the long one's were a challenge (that said, he did nail the first 48 yarder right down the middle)

2. I've not seen anything this year that convinces me that Rob Ryan is anything special, either as a strategist, a motivator, or an in-game playcaller. The performance by his defense in clutch situations hardly recommends him as HC material, so I think a lot of other guys are going to get a look before he does.

Agree, I dont think he'll be in that much demand either, but if he leaves it wont hurt my feelings. He may be his brother's twin, but he doesnt have the play calling/game planning/blitz designs of Rex.

3. I've seen enough of Joe DeCamillis. He's got to go after this season, and judging from Jerry's reaction to the TO and the subsequent miss, Joe D might have gone down the river beyond the point of no return. Jerry looked like he could've chewed concrete, and this could be the capper on an already dismal season for the "not-so-special" teams.

Agree, I think DeCamillis is a goner and yesterdays timeout fiasco will hopefully seal it.

4. The coaches deserve the blame for this game, but let's face it, there are some guys on this team that you just can't win with, like Terrence Newman, Gerald Sensabaugh, Frank Walker, Alan Ball, and Martellus Bennett. You can also ask legitimate questions about Orlando Scandrick, Felix Jones, and a few other guys. The Cowboys are going to need to turn this roster over again during the offseason, and hopefully they'll continue to find talented character guys like Sean Lee that will be key roleplayers on a winner.

Bennett got hurt early and never returned, some of the run game struggles can be pegged on that. Regardless I dont see him back next yr, he's a free agent. Scandrick is an idiot sometimes but is a decent 3rd CB. I dont have a problem with Jones at all, when he is healthy he is a solid player. The others you mentioned are probably all gone, even Newman.

5. We'd all better hope that Dan Bailey just has a case of the 24-hour yips, because if not we're in trouble. Granted that all of his kicks were long and challenging, but it looked like his technique has gone south all of a sudden, and hopefully he'll be able to straighten himself out this week.

He nailed the 38 yarder FG and even hit the first attempt at the game winner easily, but he missed bad on eht first long one and got lucky on the other 50+ yarder. I dont think its an issue. If all he misses are extremely long one's, we're fine.

6. We'd also better hope that DeMarcus ware just has a case of 24-hour neck sprain. We're not going anywhere with him on the sideline.

Agree. He's just about all we have as a pass rusher.

7. Did anyone notice the vast difference between the cover technique played by Patrick Peterson and that played by ANYONE on our defense? Don't our coaches coach our guys to turn and look for the ball? Can't the Cowboys' personnel guys find players who can run forward and look backwards at the same time? Year in and year out our secondary proves to be incapable of staying with a receiver and making a play, and it's gotten way past old.

This has been an ongoing problem for years, new DB coaches are needed badly. Jenkins is the only player who understands how to look back for the ball, and he's also the most aggressive when the ball is in the air.

8. It's really hard to get too worked up about the loss because, after all, this is still an average team and any playoff contention or participation is gravy, but do the Cowboys ALWAYS have to find the most painful way to lose?

Agree again.

9. Unlike a lot of fans, I'm not ready to bail on Jason Garrett as the HC. I think he's got this team turned in the right direction, and I can't wait to see what he can do with free agency, another draft, and an offseason program. He has a young team, and I believe he's slowly toughening them and molding them into winners, but it's going to take another year or two before it all comes together. At the very least he deserves the chance to see where this goes, and how his particular stamp on this team looks on the field.

I noted in my other thread I'm not a big proponent of firing a coach after one yr, but at the least there needs to be some staff changes on both sides of the ball. I do think we'll be significant players in free agency this year, and we appear to have nailed last years draft big time. Am hopeful for similar results this year.

10. This next week will be a challenge, because this was a very deflating loss for this team, one that raises all those December demons all over again. More than that, the Giants played very competitively today against perhaps the best team in the league, and they'll probably be energized by taking them to the final play of the game. They have every reason to believe that they can come into Dallas next week and win, while I'm not so sure that the Cowboys' confidence is where it will need to be next Sunday night. We'll see, and this will be a real test of Garrett's abilities as HC.

Agree again. With the way we've played the past few weeks and especially yesterday I honestly wont be surprised if we get blown out. The Giants offense is far better than those of the the last 4 or 5 teams we've played.

Good post.
 

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My instant analysis:

1. The coaches cost us this game--offense, defense, and special teams. I can let Garrett off the hook for the TO on the kick, because he was reacting to DeCamillis and Boniol, but what was he thinking letting the last 1:30 expire without trying to get the ball a little closer? It was clear that Bailey had developed a case of the yips, so why test him like that?

2. I've not seen anything this year that convinces me that Rob Ryan is anything special, either as a strategist, a motivator, or an in-game playcaller. The performance by his defense in clutch situations hardly recommends him as HC material, so I think a lot of other guys are going to get a look before he does.

3. I've seen enough of Joe DeCamillis. He's got to go after this season, and judging from Jerry's reaction to the TO and the subsequent miss, Joe D might have gone down the river beyond the point of no return. Jerry looked like he could've chewed concrete, and this could be the capper on an already dismal season for the "not-so-special" teams.

4. The coaches deserve the blame for this game, but let's face it, there are some guys on this team that you just can't win with, like Terrence Newman, Gerald Sensabaugh, Frank Walker, Alan Ball, and Martellus Bennett. You can also ask legitimate questions about Orlando Scandrick, Felix Jones, and a few other guys. The Cowboys are going to need to turn this roster over again during the offseason, and hopefully they'll continue to find talented character guys like Sean Lee that will be key roleplayers on a winner.

5. We'd all better hope that Dan Bailey just has a case of the 24-hour yips, because if not we're in trouble. Granted that all of his kicks were long and challenging, but it looked like his technique has gone south all of a sudden, and hopefully he'll be able to straighten himself out this week.

6. We'd also better hope that DeMarcus ware just has a case of 24-hour neck sprain. We're not going anywhere with him on the sideline.

7. Did anyone notice the vast difference between the cover technique played by Patrick Peterson and that played by ANYONE on our defense? Don't our coaches coach our guys to turn and look for the ball? Can't the Cowboys' personnel guys find players who can run forward and look backwards at the same time? Year in and year out our secondary proves to be incapable of staying with a receiver and making a play, and it's gotten way past old.

8. It's really hard to get too worked up about the loss because, after all, this is still an average team and any playoff contention or participation is gravy, but do the Cowboys ALWAYS have to find the most painful way to lose?

9. Unlike a lot of fans, I'm not ready to bail on Jason Garrett as the HC. I think he's got this team turned in the right direction, and I can't wait to see what he can do with free agency, another draft, and an offseason program. He has a young team, and I believe he's slowly toughening them and molding them into winners, but it's going to take another year or two before it all comes together. At the very least he deserves the chance to see where this goes, and how his particular stamp on this team looks on the field.

10. This next week will be a challenge, because this was a very deflating loss for this team, one that raises all those December demons all over again. More than that, the Giants played very competitively today against perhaps the best team in the league, and they'll probably be energized by taking them to the final play of the game. They have every reason to believe that they can come into Dallas next week and win, while I'm not so sure that the Cowboys' confidence is where it will need to be next Sunday night. We'll see, and this will be a real test of Garrett's abilities as HC.

This will be very interesting week in Dallas.

How does Garrett get a pass for reacting to the other two? That's essentially admitting he didn't know the status of the clock and just knee-jerked into a stupid decision. Had he known the situation, it wouldn't have gotten that low in the first place to call a rushed timeout or he wouldn't have called a timeout at all.
 
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Jason Garrett is book smart, but he's football retarded.

Basically, I'm hoping for a new head coach as soon as possible.

You and me both, but we know that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Jason is Jerry's boy and has been in line for the HC job as soon as Jerry took him from QB coach in Miami and made him the OC in Dallas before we even had a HC in place. Now that Garrett is in the saddle I think we're going to be stuck with him for a looooong time. I mean, Campo got three years and Wade was given four, so Garrett will probably be given at least a decade. Maybe at some point in the next 8-10 years he will finally hire an OC that has a clue. Until then though, get used to more retardization like yesterday.
 

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I'm here, I put my two cents in. It was painfully stupid, although Romo doesnt understand game situations any better himself otherwise he'd have called the timeout after the completion like any other veteran QB with half a brain would have done.

He deserves some blame in this, but ultimately the damn HC has to have a better idea of game management/clock management than what we saw. Especially a HC that played in this league and actually played QB himself.

He looked right at the sideline, they told him not to call timeout. And Garrett can call timeout anytime he chooses, if at 19 or 18 seconds jg wanted time he could havevcalled it. He didn't and instructed it not to be called.

Bryant was down with 24 seconds to go. Should have called tie in the sideline right then and there. It was dumb. Only trumped by the timeout on the kick. One of the dumbest sequences this group has ever pulled off.
 
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Say what you want, but the D got a stop when we needed it today at the end.

No it didn't.

When we needed a stop at the "end", the Cardinals moved all the way down the field and scored a walk off touchdown to some guy named Stephens-Howling.


But I'd assume you were talking about how the Cardinals wen't 3 and out and punted the ball to us with 3 minutes left in the fourth.

In that instance, got open about 5 yards past the first down marker on third and 6, and Kolb hit him between the numbers for a should've been first down.... but Doucet dropped the pass.

The defense didn't stop them. The Cardinals stopped themselves.
 
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Clearly Garrett was satisfied with the field position and has no faith in the offense or Romo to not throw an INT, give up a sack or run a play not resulting in giving up negative yardage. We got inside the 33 (or whatever their magical number was) and decided then to just drain the clock and kick. As dumb as that was it was even dumber to not make the team aware of the fact they were just draining the clock and then gooing to call timeout. That would've at least prevented Bailey from going through with the initial kick and spared us the fact it was good while the subsequent one was missed.

Garrett would likely have taken some criticism for not trying for one more play, but not nearly as much as he's taking now for icing his own kicker on an attempt that was good only to watch him then turn around and miss the actual attempt.
 
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Clearly Garrett was satisfied with the field position and has no faith in the offense or Romo to not throw an INT, give up a sack or run a play not resulting in giving up negative yardage. We got inside the 33 (or whatever their magical number was) and decided then to just drain the clock and kick. As dumb as that was it was even dumber to not make the team aware of the fact they were just draining the clock and then gooing to call timeout. That would've at least prevented Bailey from going through with the initial kick and spared us the fact it was good while the subsequent one was missed.

Garrett would likely have taken some criticism for not trying for one more play, but not nearly as much as he's taking now for icing his own kicker on an attempt that was good only to watch him then turn around and miss the actual attempt.
I think the no faith in Romo thing is retarded. He threaded the needle over O'Tree's head and by a LBer to hit Dez in the only spot the CB wouldn't have a play on the ball. That was the game-winning throw. Garrett effed it up after that.
 
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I think the no faith in Romo thing is retarded. He threaded the needle over O'Tree's head and by a LBer to hit Dez in the only spot the CB wouldn't have a play on the ball. That was the game-winning throw. Garrett effed it up after that.

Romo has played well since his early season debacles. But I see no other reason for Garrett's draining of the clock and settling for a 49/50 yard kick. He clearly didn't trust the team in that situation to run one more play despite the fact they moved down the field to get in that position in the first place.
 
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