Rumors fly of a complete NFL shutdown

[sbk92]

Do we need to stop and count how many times a CB has won a game with a pick 6? Red zone INT?

They make plays. But they are never the cause of those plays. It's always something in front of them that allowed them to make that play.

Unless we're talking Deion Sanders. He's the one exception to the rule.

 

[sbk92]

Here is something for you to read so you can better understand how ticket pricing works

But go ahead and continue to think that ticket prices are directly related to player salaries. Player salary is based on revenue, so the less owners make the less players make. If ticket prices drop then so will the pool of funds designated for players, thus player salaries will drop.

I don't think that ticket prices are directly related only to player salaries.

I think, wait...know, that ticket prices, as well as merchandise prices are definitely effected by operating costs of the owners.

If it costs me more on my end to perform my service, it will cost you more to get my service. It's a simple common sense conclusion.

If the Owners have a set number they want to reach and they don't get that done in the new CBA, their only other option is to increase prices.

 

[sbk92]

Yes, I need a life. The guy who isn't phased by the potential loss of a football season.

But the sissy fag lamenting over a lost "precious" NFL season? He's clearly got other things to pass the time.

 

[Cythim]

I don't think that ticket prices are directly related only to player salaries.

I think, wait...know, that ticket prices, as well as merchandise prices are definitely effected by operating costs of the owners.

If it costs me more on my end to perform my service, it will cost you more to get my service. It's a simple common sense conclusion.

If the Owners have a set number they want to reach and they don't get that done in the new CBA, their only other option is to increase prices.

Pricing is circular in the NFL and because of that design prices will go up. To cover the operational costs owners look to make more money, but my making more money they inherently increase the operational costs. The end result is maximizing revenue while minimizing expenditures. One going up or down will not force the other to go up or down because the other is already moving in a direction that is beneficial to the owners. The owners will always price tickets according to the market, no matter what the players are earning. This is why ticket prices remained nearly level over the '08 and '09 seasons while player salaries increased dramatically. The '10 increase was because they felt the market could support an increase in prices, not because they needed to recoup lost money paid to players.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Prices will go up in the future regardless.

Prices will go up more if the players win this CBA battle.

I would never root against myself. So naturally I hope the players get burned. Even to the tune of several missed seasons and a new group of players in a new NFL. I have no attachment to any player. They're spare parts. They fill out a uniform. Wouldn't miss a single one of them.




I'd rather have the best punter than the whogivesashat never impacted a game in his life "best" cornerback.

Not maybe, not possibly, definitely. Give me the guy who has a direct effect on field position and I'll march out some dime a dozen cover guys I can win with providing the important parts of my team are in order.

Go ask anyone that Revis covers how much he impacts a game.. imbecile.

How much extra yardage do you think you get from the best punter in the game compared to an average punter? I'd say maybe you go from averaging 43 YPP to maybe 37 YPP. So really you get 5 more yards per punt from the best punter in the game to an average one. That alone, does NOT determine field position. Coverage teams play a much more vital role in determining field position.

Now compare that to Revis, who shuts down a WR for an entire game. QB's hardly even throw his way, and when they do, good things rarely happen.

Again, ask a QB or a WR he's played against how much he impacts a game.. and how much planning they do for him. Then ask them how much planning they do for the Jets punter.

Get back to me..

 

[sbk92]

Go ask anyone that Revis covers how much he impacts a game.. imbecile.

How much extra yardage do you think you get from the best punter in the game compared to an average punter? I'd say maybe you go from averaging 43 YPP to maybe 37 YPP.

I don't care what you say. You're a proven idiot. You telling me what I'd get means nothing to me.

You asked me to tell you that again. I did. Any time you want to read it again, just ask. I'll state it again.

So really you get 5 more yards per punt from the best punter in the game to an average one. That alone, does NOT determine field position. Coverage teams play a much more vital role in determining field position.

Now compare that to Revis, who shuts down a WR for an entire game. QB's hardly even throw his way, and when they do, good things rarely happen.

Again, ask a QB or a WR he's played against how much he impacts a game.. and how much planning they do for him. Then ask them how much planning they do for the Jets punter.

Get back to me..

I don't believe Revis, Asomugha or any other cornerback shuts down a thing. Teams throw away from them because the talent is inferior. They can have even more success there than throwing at Revis.

But do I believe if the QB is protected and makes a perfect throw to an elite WR running a perfect route that Derrelle "shutdown" Revis can stop it?

No. And that's my point.

DeMarcus Ware doesn't need anybody but DeMarcus Ware to be dominant. He's impactful. A guy like Revis, who btw is playing for probably the best defensive mind in the game who is making him look better than he is, doesn't impact a thing. He's the byproduct of Ryan's attacking defense.

 

[sbk92]

Pricing is circular in the NFL and because of that design prices will go up. To cover the operational costs owners look to make more money, but my making more money they inherently increase the operational costs. The end result is maximizing revenue while minimizing expenditures. One going up or down will not force the other to go up or down because the other is already moving in a direction that is beneficial to the owners. The owners will always price tickets according to the market, no matter what the players are earning. This is why ticket prices remained nearly level over the '08 and '09 seasons while player salaries increased dramatically. The '10 increase was because they felt the market could support an increase in prices, not because they needed to recoup lost money paid to players.

We're not talking about 2010 prices. We're talking about 2011, 2012 and beyond.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't care what you say. You're a proven idiot. You telling me what I'd get means nothing to me.


I don't believe Revis, Asomugha or any other cornerback shuts down a thing. Teams throw away from them because the talent is inferior. They can have even more success there than throwing at Revis.

But do I believe if the QB is protected and makes a perfect throw to an elite WR running a perfect route that Derrelle "shutdown" Revis can stop it?

No. And that's my point.

DeMarcus Ware doesn't need anybody but DeMarcus Ware to be dominant. He's impactful. A guy like Revis, who btw is playing for probably the best defensive mind in the game who is making him look better than he is, doesn't impact a thing. He's the byproduct of Ryan's attacking defense.

Yawn.. insults from a little tyke who spends hours a day on a message board trying to find someone to believe he's actually a smart man.

Again, go ask an opposing QB or WR how much time they spend gameplanning for Revis or Asomugah and how much of an impact they have on a teams offense.. then ask how much time they spend on the Jets or Raiders punter.

I'll wait again.. lol

 

[sbk92]

Yawn.. insults from a little tyke who spends hours a day on a message board trying to find someone to believe he's actually a smart man.

Again, go ask an opposing QB or WR how much time they spend gameplanning for Revis or Asomugah and how much of an impact they have on a teams offense.. then ask how much time they spend on the Jets or Raiders punter.

I'll wait again.. lol

Okay. I'll ask.

But I'm pretty sure they'll gonna think I'm retarded to ask a QB or WR how much time they spend preparing for a punter.

I'll get back to you though.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Okay. I'll ask.

But I'm pretty sure they'll gonna think I'm retarded to ask a QB or WR how much time they spend preparing for a punter.

I'll get back to you though.

Eh, "they'll gonna think" you're retarded no matter what you ask. Might as well go for it..

 

[sbk92]

Eh, "they'll gonna think" you're retarded no matter what you ask. Might as well go for it..

This is like Danny Devito calling you short.

 

[Cythim]

We're not talking about 2010 prices. We're talking about 2011, 2012 and beyond.

Right, so pricing won't follow the trend that has already been set. Your opinion is just that, opinion. Get something resembling facts to back it up and we will continue this conversation.

 

[sbk92]

Right, so pricing won't follow the trend that has already been set. Your opinion is just that, opinion. Get something resembling facts to back it up and we will continue this conversation.

I need to get some facts to think if the owners don't make the financial number they want to make in the new CBA that they will cover their losses with the fans?

I seriously need to dig for facts on that? The owners that you told me are greedy. Won't increase the overall size of the pie if the piece they have to settle for isn't big enough?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I need to get some facts to think if the owners don't make the financial number they want to make in the new CBA that they will cover their losses with the fans?

I seriously need to dig for facts on that? The owners that you told me are greedy. Won't increase the overall size of the pie if the piece they have to settle for isn't big enough?

Raising prices is not a surefire way to increase the "size of the pie".. which is exactly why prices have little to do with any CBA. Its all about supply and demand. As long as people are willing to pay the set prices, they'll keep raising them. If they raise them too far however, not enough people will attend games and they'll end up losing money by trying to raise prices.

 

[Cythim]

I need to get some facts to think if the owners don't make the financial number they want to make in the new CBA that they will cover their losses with the fans?

I seriously need to dig for facts on that? The owners that you told me are greedy. Won't increase the overall size of the pie if the piece they have to settle for isn't big enough?

I have offered you several facts that disprove your ill-conceived theory and you offer me nothing but unsupported opinion. Back it up. Show me something from someone with any sort of reputation that supports your belief that a win for the players will result in higher prices versus a win for the owners.

 

[sbk92]

Raising prices is not a surefire way to increase the "size of the pie".. which is exactly why prices have little to do with any CBA. Its all about supply and demand. As long as people are willing to pay the set prices, they'll keep raising them. If they raise them too far however, not enough people will attend games and they'll end up losing money by trying to raise prices.

Yes. This would be the first time a business increased prices to offset increased costs.

You and Cynthia can keep spewing the same shat. You'll never convince me a group of greedy owners won't cover their losses with the fans.

Of course raising prices is a surefire way to increase the size of the pie. Fans will pay it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes. This would be the first time a business increased prices to offset increased costs.

You and Cynthia can keep spewing the same shat. You'll never convince me a group of greedy owners won't cover their losses with the fans.

Of course raising prices is a surefire way to increase the size of the pie. Fans will pay it.

If fans will pay it no matter what.. then you better stop bitching about how they've already priced you out of going to games and take your poor ass back to the ballfield. I wonder why they don't just raise ticket prices to 200 bucks per person for the cheap seats and 5000 per person for the good seats. Then we wouldn't have to worry about a CBA dilemna and they could easily just "increase the size of the pie" that way, right Confucius?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Its a shame the entire NFL world doesnt know about this whole punter > CB's thing. I heard the Cardinals were debating heavily between Patrick Peterson and Alex Henery

 

[sbk92]

If fans will pay it no matter what.. then you better stop bitching about how they've already priced you out of going to games and take your poor ass back to the ballfield. I wonder why they don't just raise ticket prices to 200 bucks per person for the cheap seats and 5000 per person for the good seats. Then we wouldn't have to worry about a CBA dilemna and they could easily just "increase the size of the pie" that way, right Confucius?

I'm sure you thought you made a good point here. I'm still trying to figure it out.

Is Melvin saying because enough fans will still pay the higher costs I as a fan should think it's right? I'm not getting the logic.

 

[sbk92]

Its a shame the entire NFL world doesnt know about this whole punter > CB's thing. I heard the Cardinals were debating heavily between Patrick Peterson and Alex Henery

They were gonna cover that this year in the 1st round of the draft but they couldn't fit it in with the new "let it breathe" format.