Rumors fly of a complete NFL shutdown

[sbk92]

I haven't been to a football game since 89'.

Why? You know why.

They don't have ramps at the Bills' stadium?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

The owners will screw the fans and shut down a season because they are only making so many millions and it pisses them off.....but they will cut ticket costs to save money for the fans? lol

 

[sbk92]

They may not cut ticket costs. But unless you're a complete idiot, you'd have to assume at the very least that prices wouldn't rise as much as if they don't get the CBA they want.

I don't know why that's laughable. They want to make X. If they don't make it with the CBA, they will turn to the fans as option B. It's the only logical conclusion to all this. A loss for the owners means higher prices for fans.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Raise prices, wtf do I care? People will pay it if they can and if not they will watch from home. Hell some people are getting suckered into $250,000 PSL's.

Id rather they raise a ticket price $5 then take away a precious NFL season.

 

[sbk92]

A precious NFL season? lol

Hey, maybe not having one this year will allow the NFL to breathe and stuff.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Do you even try to win debates anymore? lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you even try to win debates anymore? lol

lol

 

[sbk92]

What's to respond to? Some idiot telling me prices shouldn't matter, just don't miss "a precious NFL season"?

Does that really warrant a legitimate response? That's something a child would say.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Yes what a gay adjective. Totally blew up my point and now your argument somehow isnt retarded

People can choose for themselves to pay your imaginary $5 raise in ticket prices (because the NFL players only gave back $300M to the owners thus they NEED to raise prices to afford their top ramen)

There are only so many NFL season in a lifetime, so by all means lets give that up to avoid a raise in ticket prices.

"We will pay $1,000's to watch the NFL but if they raise prices anymore I would hope they miss an entire season because that raise would be the final straw. I love the NFL to the tune of a $250,000 season ticket package. But definitely not $250,005."

At this point its like you suck on purpose to elicit some type of interaction with other humans

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What's to respond to? Some idiot telling me prices shouldn't matter, just don't miss "a precious NFL season"?

Does that really warrant a legitimate response? That's something a child would say.

Actually.. if they actually hold out and miss an entire season, it will do far worse damage to the league long term than just having to raise ticket prices a bit.

..and what do you think is going to happen if the owners do win, btw? Sure now they will be satisfied, until they start handing out more ridiculous contracts to middle of the pack players again and drive salaries up again, and then cry foul and ask for their money back again.. you think anything will change their greed and hypocrisy just because they win this time?

Tell me again how you'd rather have the best punter in the league over the best CB? lol

 

[Cythim]

Not every team accross the league sells out. There are plenty of teams who have serious problems filling their stadium.

And I don't know how likely this is, but I think some teams fudge the numbers a little. For instance, I've read where FedEx Field has the longest sell out streak in the league. Yet, I've been to several Redskins vs Cowboys games over the years, and the Redskins vs Chiefs game in 2009, and I'm not exaggerating when I say the stadium was 80% full at most.

With the advancement of television technology, the NFL Sunday Ticket packages/Red Zone Channels, and the high cost of stadium tickets and concessions... I think fans will more times than in the past make the decision to stay at home.

Especially considering the overall financial crisis the country is in. Far fewer people have the discretionary income to go to games on a regular basis.

What does this have to do with player salary? Absolutely nothing. In 2010 there was a $5b+ pool of revenue shared across all teams, which largely comes from TV revenue but includes sponsorship deals and 1/3 of all ticket sales. This shared revenue more than covers the player salaries, leaving each team responsible for generating revenue to cover the rest of their own expenses.

In our economy price is dictated by demand and ticket prices will always be at a level that fans are willing to pay. Fans in Jacksonville and Buffalo are not willing to pay as much as fans in Dallas or New England and the average price of tickets shows this. Will prices fall if fans don't show up? It depends on how bad it gets but fans in Jacksonville are not showing up while ticket prices continue to rise each season. Instead of maximizing ticket sales they try to maximize revenue by gouging their loyal fans.

 

[Cythim]

My hope is that the greedy owners will have the lowest possible operating costs. Because that will lead to the lowest possible prices on fans.

It's not that complicated. You two idiots keep talking about how greedy the owners are. Sure they are. As greedy as the players. Now how do you expect such greed to just take a bath in the new CBA and not look to recoup their losses on their fan base?

Only one side has that ability.

So I side with the owners.

You are living in a fantasy world. Ticket prices make up a small part of a team's income (in 2010 it accounted for 18% of Green Bay's income) and are adjusted according to the market. Owners will sell tickets at a price that generates the most revenue, regardless of what they must pay the players.

The only way ticket prices are going to drop is if fans stop showing up. In an uncapped year where owners were able to spend less money 18 teams decided to raise ticket prices while two (Jacksonville and Detroit) lowered ticket prices.

 

[sbk92]

You are living in a fantasy world. Ticket prices make up a small part of a team's income (in 2010 it accounted for 18% of Green Bay's income) and are adjusted according to the market. Owners will sell tickets at a price that generates the most revenue, regardless of what they must pay the players.

The only way ticket prices are going to drop is if fans stop showing up. In an uncapped year where owners were able to spend less money 18 teams decided to raise ticket prices while two (Jacksonville and Detroit) lowered ticket prices.

Why would an uncapped year mean anything? If anything, they'd be more likely to raise prices to cover more player salary. I'm not getting the connection.

You are living in a fantasy land if you believe there is no correlation between operating costs and prices. As their costs go up, ours go up. It's that simple.

 

[sbk92]

Yes what a gay adjective. Totally blew up my point and now your argument somehow isnt retarded

People can choose for themselves to pay your imaginary $5 raise in ticket prices (because the NFL players only gave back $300M to the owners thus they NEED to raise prices to afford their top ramen)

There are only so many NFL season in a lifetime, so by all means lets give that up to avoid a raise in ticket prices.

"We will pay $1,000's to watch the NFL but if they raise prices anymore I would hope they miss an entire season because that raise would be the final straw. I love the NFL to the tune of a $250,000 season ticket package. But definitely not $250,005."

At this point its like you suck on purpose to elicit some type of interaction with other humans

It's the same idiot mentality with the devoted political party voter. Might as well stick with the D or R. Because the guy I really believe in can't win. So until everybody else supports him, I'm out.

Your submissive, roll over and show your belly stance on prices is why the NFL has raped their fan base over the last several years. Prices do matter. To everyone. To say they don't is just f'n idiotic and can't be taken seriously.

Get a life. There's more than football. If my option it to get my wallet raped further or miss a "precious NFL season", I'll choose the latter. Everytime. Maybe it's because I got a full nut sack and don't whine about the length of the draft.

 

[sbk92]

Actually.. if they actually hold out and miss an entire season, it will do far worse damage to the league long term than just having to raise ticket prices a bit.

..and what do you think is going to happen if the owners do win, btw? Sure now they will be satisfied, until they start handing out more ridiculous contracts to middle of the pack players again and drive salaries up again, and then cry foul and ask for their money back again.. you think anything will change their greed and hypocrisy just because they win this time?

Prices will go up in the future regardless.

Prices will go up more if the players win this CBA battle.

I would never root against myself. So naturally I hope the players get burned. Even to the tune of several missed seasons and a new group of players in a new NFL. I have no attachment to any player. They're spare parts. They fill out a uniform. Wouldn't miss a single one of them.

Tell me again how you'd rather have the best punter in the league over the best CB? lol

I'd rather have the best punter than the whogivesashat never impacted a game in his life "best" cornerback.

Not maybe, not possibly, definitely. Give me the guy who has a direct effect on field position and I'll march out some dime a dozen cover guys I can win with providing the important parts of my team are in order.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

It's the same idiot mentality with the devoted political party voter. Might as well stick with the D or R. Because the guy I really believe in can't win. So until everybody else supports him, I'm out.

Your submissive, roll over and show your belly stance on prices is why the NFL has raped their fan base over the last several years. Prices do matter. To everyone. To say they don't is just f'n idiotic and can't be taken seriously.

Get a life. There's more than football. If my option it to get my wallet raped further or miss a "precious NFL season", I'll choose the latter. Everytime. Maybe it's because I got a full nut sack and don't whine about the length of the draft.

11,000 posts in 10 months........YOU sir, have the life. Football must mean nothing to you.


How many games did you attend last year? Im going to say none since you would need someone to go with. As for the people who actually do go to games they can choose to stay home if they want. The only thing a football fan doesnt want is a missed season entirely.

 

[sbk92]

11,000 posts in 10 months........YOU sir, have the life. Football must mean nothing to you.


How many games did you attend last year? Im going to say none since you would need someone to go with. As for the people who actually do go to games they can choose to stay home if they want. The only thing a football fan doesnt want is a missed season entirely.

They shouldn't have to choose to stay home because they can't afford it.

What kind of f'n stance is that? Tough shat, stay home. What a fan friendly commish you'd be.

Yes, the NFL has already priced me out of attending games with any regularity.

Speak for yourself. I'm a football fan. I'm prepared for multiple missed seasons. If I had the power to decide this, either the players would completely cave or we would be without football for a minimum of one or two years.

Big picture over instant gratification.

 

[Cythim]

Here is something for you to read so you can better understand how ticket pricing works

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-11-ticket-prices-mainbar_N.htm

Sports franchise consultant Marc Ganis thought the trend reflects an improving economy.

"This is not related to the labor issue," said Ganis, president of Sportscorp, Ltd. "It's related to what the market will bear and the economy."

Minnesota Vikings president Mark Wilf acknowledged risks, including public perception. Minnesota upped the tag on 85% of tickets at the league's fourth-smallest venue, but also maintained the NFL's lowest-priced seat: $15.

Said Wilf, "We're sensitive to the economy and our fans, while balancing the need to be competitive."

"They do it very carefully, to make sure they keep those stadiums full and sell tickets," said Goodell. "You can increase ticket prices, but does it reduce the number of people who buy them and your overall revenue? (If so), that's not a very smart decision.

"They're trying to find the right balance. It's not an exact science."

"We looked at it holistically," said George Torres, the Dolphins' marketing director. "We re-scaled the house according to demand, but the other part was to enhance the benefits for the season ticket packages."

But go ahead and continue to think that ticket prices are directly related to player salaries. Player salary is based on revenue, so the less owners make the less players make. If ticket prices drop then so will the pool of funds designated for players, thus player salaries will drop.

 

[Cythim]

I'd rather have the best punter than the whogivesashat never impacted a game in his life "best" cornerback.

Not maybe, not possibly, definitely. Give me the guy who has a direct effect on field position and I'll march out some dime a dozen cover guys I can win with providing the important parts of my team are in order.

Do we need to stop and count how many times a CB has won a game with a pick 6? Red zone INT?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

11,000 posts in 10 months........YOU sir, have the life.

lol lol lol lol lol