Parcells. Franchise Wrecker.

[dbair1967]

Your welcome suckamanoff

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Donnie Brasco was an American Hero. I was paying you a compliment, ass.

 

[dbair1967]

I know.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

You guys are nuts. Sheik's av rules.

 

[Jon88]

It's racist.

 

[dbair1967]

You guys are nuts. Sheik's av rules.

I guess it brings back memories of when he used to beat off to National Geographics

 

[junk]

When you consider the job BP was brought in to do, which was first and foremost to rebuild a college football squad into something respectful at the nfl level, I'd say he did a pretty damned good job.

Ive never been a fan of his coaching style.

Anyone that needs a refresher course in what the early to mid 2000s were like, no worries, we're on our way back to that mess.

Indeed. Yes, ultimately, Parcells didn't finish the job, but he completely turned around the direction of the team. He revamped the front office and the way they scout players.

And, yes, I consider the coaching job he did with Quincy and Hambrick amazing.

Here's what I usually pull out with the Zone morons start spouting off about how terrible Parcells was.

Here's an interesting fact:
Ware - 4x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowler
Witten - 2x All Pro, 8x Pro Bowler
Ratliff - 1x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowler
Romo - 3x Pro Bowler
McBriar - 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler
Austin - 2x Pro Bowler
Newman - 2x Pro Bowler
Barber - 1x Pro Bowler

All drafted/brought in, coached and developed under Parcells.

Pro Bowlers/All Pro drafted and developed post-Parcells:
Nick Folk - 1x Pro Bowl
Mike Jenkins - 1x Pro Bowl
Anthony Spener - 1x Pro Bowl

 

[NoDak]

Those are some pretty stats. Do we get playoff wins credit for them? Romo will be thrilled to hear the news.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Those are some pretty stats. Do we get playoff wins credit for them? Romo will be thrilled to hear the news.

 

[junk]

Those are some pretty stats. Do we get playoff wins credit for them? Romo will be thrilled to hear the news.

I guess that is the kind of response I'd expect from someone that can't really refute the results. Turning a perennial 5-11 team with Quincy as your QB into a playoff team is pretty impressive in my book.

So, I assume by the way you judge results, Phillips was successful in Dallas? Got a playoff win. Two if you count the bye. :jerry2

Pretty much.

 

[NoDak]

So he caught lighting in a bottle once and snuck into the playoffs. Big deal. In the grand scheme of things it means nothing. And making the playoffs that first year certainly didn't make us a 'playoff team'. What was our record the following year again?

And secondly, refute what results? The results of having won one playoff game in what equals three NFL lifetimes? Awesome. Or as I seen earlier, amazing. I do find it funny tho, that probowl invites are so arbitrary. Any other time, the probowl is scoffed at as a popularity contest. But when used to support Parcells' time here? Acceptable.

Also, I never mentioned Phillips, or his time here. But if you'd like to play the deflection game to go along with your smilies and jerry pics, that's cool I guess.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

He won WITH the 5-11 garbage that was already here, then in a few short years aquired and developed hall of famers setting us up for success. Those are good things.

 

[Theebs]

He won WITH the 5-11 garbage that was already here, then in a few short years aquired and developed hall of famers setting us up for success. Those are good things.

don't get sucked in.

no matter what you say they are going to refute it with some arbitrary point and dumb comment about not winning 4 superbowls.

 

[junk]

So he caught lighting in a bottle once and snuck into the playoffs. Big deal. In the grand scheme of things it means nothing. And making the playoffs that first year certainly didn't make us a 'playoff team'. What was our record the following year again?

If it was so simple, why couldn't Campo do it? Why can't Garrett do it? Garrett with significantly more talent to boot. Mainly because they aren't as good of coaches. Parcells didn't fluke his way into the HoF. He's legit and that was a legit coaching performance in 2003.

And secondly, refute what results? The results of having won one playoff game in what equals three NFL lifetimes? Awesome. Or as I seen earlier, amazing. I do find it funny tho, that probowl invites are so arbitrary. Any other time, the probowl is scoffed at as a popularity contest. But when used to support Parcells' time here? Acceptable.

It is a measure of the level of talent not only brought in, but developed during Parcells time here. Two Hall of Famers, a franchise caliber QB and a bunch of other guys that were able to play at a high enough level to be recognized around the league.

Again, something the team isn't doing now.

Also, I never mentioned Phillips, or his time here. But if you'd like to play the deflection game to go along with your smilies and jerry pics, that's cool I guess.

No, but you brought playoff wins as an indicator of success while dismissing player acquisition and development. If you only judge playoff wins, then you are arguing Phillips was a success. We know that isn't true.

Bottom line, Parcells turned the franchise around and got it pointed in the right direction (for the time being). He acquired significant amounts of talent (the majority of which is still the core of this team today). He changed the way the front office operates as much as he could. Drafts still aren't great, but I do think Jerry and Stephen learned a little from him.

All in all, his time in Dallas was a positive and had the team on the upswing. Unfortunately, Jerry brought in a clown like Phillips and they lost all of that momentum Parcells built. Been downhill ever since.

 

[junk]

He won WITH the 5-11 garbage that was already here, then in a few short years aquired and developed hall of famers setting us up for success. Those are good things.

Indeed. Garrett started with those Hall of Famers and can't manage to squeak into the playoffs.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

don't get sucked in.

no matter what you say they are going to refute it with some arbitrary point and dumb comment about not winning 4 superbowls.

Indeed. Garrett started with those Hall of Famers and can't manage to squeak into the playoffs.

I always thought it was understood what Parcells was and what jobs he wanted. The fact that he moved on tells me he built a real nice frame to a team in his short time and felt ok about moving on and started one last rebuild. He felt good about what we became

 

[NoDak]

I'm not saying Parcells didn't do a good job here. He did. But the way he is fellated for his time here is over the top. He took a team to the playoffs that was coming off a losing run. Not the only time that's ever been done. He aquired some good players while here. Not the only time that's ever been done.

Parcells was a good coach. One of the best ever. But are you guys really trying to compare him to what Campo done to prop him up?

 

[lons]

Parcells only took this job, because he was broke from his last divorce. Taking an extension wasn't gonna pay him more than taking a year off and taking another team for a high level of money over 3 years. He'd do it again, but no one would fall for it again.

We messed up, not giving the nod to Payton. We further shit the bed, by signing Roy Williams, which basically fucked our 2009 draft up the ass. It's true we've been drafting better the last couple of seasons, but how hard is it to miss on drafting in the top 10 two years in a row? And while I'll say that Lee and Carter look great out there, was that worth passing up a 2nd round talent that could have played the year they were drafted and maybe not get knocked out the year and the next year of playing ala Lee and the year after ala Carter? Hell we missed out on an injury riddled player in the 2nd last year, because we drafted Mo, when in hindsight, we could have taken Barron the saftey and then Jenkins the next round. Jenkins outplayed Mo geometrically, was that defensive policy? Who knows. The Rams didn't even have a DC last year... so ...

Who the fuck knows with this team. I've barely even paid attention after we got knocked out of play off contention, not because we were knocked out when we were, had we had pulled that off, we would have had no wide outs, a qb with a bruised back, and the same o line that got us killed for most the year and a defense that was gutted by injury.

Go on and blame Romo for not making the playoffs btw. The truth is, he saved us from even more embarrassment the next week had we played Seattle again. We were a shell of a team by the time we played that last game. Romo's ints didn't help, I understand that, but there was no where for us to go, but home the next week too and with a worse pick in a draft we have to draft great in, due to the fact we have no fucking money.

 

[dbair1967]

don't get sucked in.

no matter what you say they are going to refute it with some arbitrary point and dumb comment about not winning 4 superbowls.

hell winning one playoff game would have been nice...

 

[dbair1967]

Indeed. Garrett started with those Hall of Famers and can't manage to squeak into the playoffs.

I dont want the guy here as HC anymore, but in his defense this team has been pretty beat up for his two years as HC.

And we did almost win the division both his years as HC.