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Long’s departure leaves Dolphins with nothing from 2008 Draft
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 18, 2013, 10:05 AM EDT

The Dolphins are going to introduce a new logo, and they’re doing their best to remake their locker room in free agency.

But five years ago, they had the best chance to change the course of the franchise, and they whiffed.

With Jake Long’s departure for St. Louis, the Dolphins’ entire 2008 Draft class is history.

That’s the year they used the first overall pick on Long, skipping over Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who they didn’t think was worthy of the top pick. He’s now 56-22 in the regular season for the Falcons, and has led his team to the playoffs four times in five seasons.

The Dolphins haven’t enjoyed that kind of success, in part because of what they didn’t get from the group of players Bill Parcells drafted in 2008.

Long was followed in the second round by defensive end Phillip Merling and quarterback Chad Henne, and the rest of the names are providing the exact same benefit to the Dolphins now (Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy, Jalen Parmele, Donald Thomas, Lex Hilliard and Lionel Dotson).

Frankly, 2009 was nearly as bad, as their top three picks were Vontae Davis, Pat White and Sean Smith, two of whom are elsewhere and one of whom is out of the league and begging for work. They did get Brian Hartline and Chris Clemons later, and have resigned them this offseason.

Recent history has shown us, via the Packers, Giants and Ravens, that the way to build a stable franchise is by finding a quarterback, then using picks to surround him with a base of price-controlled talent.

Their evaluation in 2008 was that Ryan wasn’t going to be a franchise passer, scared by the interceptions he threw at BC. So they drafted the solid but unspectacular Henne, and took the sure thing Long with the top pick.

And now they have nothing to show for it.

It was an embarrassing waste of resources, and part of the reason the Dolphins are now in a desperate game of catch-up.


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BP had his hits and misses with his time in Big D as well.

Passed on Steven Jackson and Aaron Rodgers in back to back drafts after both players got pushed down the draft boards.

How much different would we have been with that combination the last 8-9 years.
 

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BP had his hits and misses with his time in Big D as well.

Passed on Steven Jackson and Aaron Rodgers in back to back drafts after both players got pushed down the draft boards.

How much different would we have been with that combination the last 8-9 years.

He would have changed how Jackson runs and make him split carries with some overrated back and start Bledsoe ahead of Rodgers.
 
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BP had his hits and misses with his time in Big D as well.

Passed on Steven Jackson and Aaron Rodgers in back to back drafts with his time in Dallas after both players got pushed down the draft boards.

How much different would we have been with that combination the last 8-9 years.

If we took Jackson, we wouldn't have had the chance to pass on Rodgers unless you count taking Ware over Rodgers as passing on the guy.

Consider this though....


We had a 5th round grade on Tony Romo. Passed on him in the 5th, 6th, and 7th round.

We were Romo recognizing our shitty QB situation, and accepting less money to sign with us than with Denver away from not even having him here.

That was Parcells first draft. Our QB's going into 2003: Quincy Carter & Chad Hutchinson.

We had two 6th rounders and a 7th round selection in 2003.

You'd think the team would recognize the great value in a QB there, especially considering our situation, and take Romo a round or two lower than what we graded him. You know... follow your fucking board.

What did we do? Took BJ Tucker (cornerback), Zuriel Smith (tiny receiver/returner), Justin Bates (guard).

This fuckin' team.


I'm not placing that entirely on Parcells. Just complaining how terrible this team is.
 

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If we took Jackson, we wouldn't have had the chance to pass on Rodgers unless you count taking Ware over Rodgers as passing on the guy.

I was counting on passing on Ware.

I like Ware and what he has brought to the table both as a football player and as a high character individual.

Hind sight is 20/20 but if you would have asked me then and now I'm still taking Rodgers.

This organization was so hellbent at the time on getting the 3-4 off the ground that it felt like we were drafting with blinders on.
 

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Parcells wasn't gonna take a QB high anyway. Just like in Miami, he wanted to shore things up and make the team respectable again, and taking a QB high is too big a risk. So he goes with the safer pick at QB (like an old Vinny/Bledsoe retread) even if it means you never get a guy you can win big with. When you take over complete bottom feeders, even winning 8 or 9 games makes you look like a genius, and nobody knows that better than Parcells.

Really, if we hadn't lucked into Romo, we'd be about where the Fins were when he left.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach and I'm glad we got him. Props to Jerry for one the best moves he's ever made. But he didn't do as much here as Mike Smith has done in ATL. How many people call Mike Smith a genius?
 

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I'll post it tonight. Just look at Pro Bowlers/All Pros brought in by Parcells versus what they have done since.

10-6 and playoffs with Quincy and Hambrick. That deserves its own wing of the HoF

People that want to diminish what Parcells did for Dallas either have an axe to grind, are a homer who piles on that everyone is terrible once the leave Dallas or just isn't very intelligent to begin with.
 

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10-6 and playoffs with Quincy and Hambrick. That deserves its own wing of the HoF

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Ever heard the term- FLUKE

The picture of that 2003 Dallas team with Q bong is in the dictionary with the definition
 

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People that want to diminish what Parcells did for Dallas either have an axe to grind, are a homer who piles on that everyone is terrible once the leave Dallas or just isn't very intelligent to begin with.

Thats not it at all. Its just that most rationale people can see that while Parcells did a quality job rebuilding the roster, he did an extremely mediocre job coaching it. He got everything he wanted and managed two playoff berths (both losses) and the last one was extremely embarassing. They had no business losing to that Seattle team.
 

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Parcells wasn't gonna take a QB high anyway. Just like in Miami, he wanted to shore things up and make the team respectable again, and taking a QB high is too big a risk. So he goes with the safer pick at QB (like an old Vinny/Bledsoe retread) even if it means you never get a guy you can win big with. When you take over complete bottom feeders, even winning 8 or 9 games makes you look like a genius, and nobody knows that better than Parcells.

Really, if we hadn't lucked into Romo, we'd be about where the Fins were when he left.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach and I'm glad we got him. Props to Jerry for one the best moves he's ever made. But he didn't do as much here as Mike Smith has done in ATL. How many people call Mike Smith a genius?

Mike smith? Really.

Parcells turned around the lowly giants during a really good time in the NFC east.
He rebuilt the jets and patriots and created the structure they used for years to be contenders just like he did at Air Force.

If he had a qb here we would have had better results, but we didn't until the second half of his last year.

And people always forget his original intention was to come here with jake Delhomme as the qb. His agent asked for more money than they were willing to pay. Delhomme ended up getting more in Carolina.

Which by the way the panthers offensive coordinator was who parcells wanted here but he couldn't get him out of his contract. Then Delhomme ends up with him, which tells me those two talked about him probably a lot.

The guy's career speaks for itself. The people who want to bag on him for not taking Ryan was fine, that was a gamble and he was wrong but to use that as parcells is a bad coach or franchise wrecker is kind of a preposterous reason.

That is like the people who downgrade jimmy Johnson's career because the dolphins got blown out at Jacksonville. The man's ok state, the u and Dallas time stands on its own.

I really don't think there are geniuses in sports but the ones who are, probably are the X's and O's people. The landry's, brown's, walsh's etc.

Parcells like jimmy was in fact a franchise builder because of the unique skills they had, the ability to run everything and lay out the way it would be and make sure it's that way.

It would have been really interesting to see what would have been with Delhomme and those three wr's we had plus that defense and soft schedule in 03. Honestly it's not a reach to say we could have gone to the Super Bowl with competent qb play.

In the NFC the only teams better than us that year were Philly and Carolina and we split with them. If u take Delhomme away from Carolina there is no doubt the cowboys are at least in the championsip game.

We were outplaying the eagles in Philly until carter through a terrible interception on the opening drive of the third qtr and gavetge eagles an easy seven which changed the game and cost us the east.

That 03 just like 07 was a golden opportunity for us, can't blame anyone for 03 though when carter/ hambrick is your combo.
 

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It's so easy to draw you offsides theebs... Just say bad things about Parcells! :trolling LOL

I wasn't talking about his whole career, though... Obviously he's one of the best ever at that. Just talking about here.

And I do love what he did here. But unlike a lot of people I think he's a better coach than GM. Why, because of his amazing personality, charisma, and the authority he carried with him. The 2003 year was truly amazing and the team did always play hard and was very physical and tough, which I love. Just yesterday I was watching a tape of the 2006 home Skins game where we totally shut them down and ran all over them. It's not that often you physically dominate a Joe Gibbs team, but we did. Wish we had that mentality here today instead of the tricky, finesse stuff we roll out.

I do think some people overexaggerate what he did here, though. The Jimmy @ Miami comparison is pretty good actually -- Fins fans don't love him like we do, just like Cowboys fans don't love Parcells like Giants fans. And with good reason.

Plus, you have to remember that he was disappointing here because he was considered to be so good. So in a way it's a compliment to him.

I'd love to have him coaching the team we have today, though. A jillion bazillion times better than what we have now. See earlier comments on that 2006 game.
 
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The thread title was me being funny.

Parcells was great what he did back in the day. And my weiner got hard when we hired him. But he left a lot to be desired here, and I was ready for him to leave.
 

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Parcells is not very good at drafting. His Jets drafts in 98 and 99 were awful. He had a whole bunch of shittiness here as has been documented. He apparently sucked in Miami at it too.

Great ball coach, terrible player evaluator.
 
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