Larry Allen Top 100 Greatest Players

[Rock Slamdance]

Look at the shat he played with for most of those years? You think defensive coordinators didn't tailor their gameplan around containing Sanders? Of course they did.

We have a winner.

 

[Cr122]

I guarantee you I watched Barry play more than most---especially you, if not all on this board. Due to my geographical location I got to see him quite frequently.

And Barry had a hard time collecting yards because he did alot of needless dancing.

Needless dancing thanks to the offensive line doing a poor job of blocking.

Laz, Emmitt was a great runner but he clearly had it easier than Barry because of a better line.

post a couple of you tube videos on here, and you'll see.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

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I see a whole lot of linebackers missing tackles...

 

[sbk92]

It's not like we're saying Barry was better. Just that he was great too and deserves to be right up there in the discussion for GOAT.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

It's not like we're saying Barry was better. Just that he was great too and deserves to be right up there in the discussion for GOAT.

Yes. he has to be in the discussion.

 

[Cr122]

Ayuh. Stop Barry Sanders and you stopped the Lions. They didn't have anything else.

Stopped Emmitt Smith and you got a dose of Aikman to Irvin or Aikman to Harper. And so on.

 

[dbair1967]

And not to mention Barry played behind some pathetic lines.

Emmitt played behind some very good ones.

Biggest myth ever. They had several really good OL, including guys like Lomas Brown, Kevin Glover & Jeff Hartings

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Biggest myth ever. They had several really good OL, including guys like Lomas Brown, Kevin Glover & Jeff Hartings

We've gone over this. They had a few good offensive lineman...Dallas had many good offensive lineman, including one slam dunk HoF'er in Allen, and one who probably would be if not for the shortened career (Williams)

 

[dbair1967]

We've gone over this. They had a few good offensive lineman...Dallas had many good offensive lineman, including one slam dunk HoF'er in Allen, and one who probably would be if not for the shortened career (Williams)

So they didnt exactly have "pathetic" OL's did they?

And the idea that they didnt have anything else other than Sanders offensively is a joke too. They had a tremendous WR corp for most of the time he was there, led by guys like Herman Moore, Brett Perriman and Johnnie Morton. Everybody knows Wayne Fontes was a boob, but they had Tom Moore as OC for several yrs, and then had Bobby Ross as HC

 

[Rock Slamdance]

So they didnt exactly have "pathetic" OL's did they?

And the idea that they didnt have anything else other than Sanders offensively is a joke too. They had a tremendous WR corp for most of the time he was there, led by guys like Herman Moore, Brett Perriman and Johnnie Morton. Everybody knows Wayne Fontes was a boob, but they had Tom Moore as OC for several yrs, and then had Bobby Ross as HC

It was not pathetic...but not near as well off as the Dallas line.

And oh no, Brett Perriman again! Johnny Morton! Hey, those guys were decent wide outs, no doubt, but once again the offensive talent on those Lions team paled in comparison to Dallas. Not to mention they had a pretty bad string of quarterbacks.

 

[dbair1967]

It was not pathetic...but not near as well off as the Dallas line.

And oh no, Brett Perriman again! Johnny Morton! Hey, those guys were decent wide outs, no doubt, but once again the offensive talent on those Lions team paled in comparison to Dallas. Not to mention they had a pretty bad string of quarterbacks.

I'd take Perriman or Morton over guys like Deion (WR), Kevin Williams, Billy Davis, Jeff Ogden, Cory Fleming, Patrrick Jeffers etc etc any day.

Moore, Perriman and Morton all put up some pretty significant numbers dutring their time in Detroit. Maybe you should check it out.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

I'd take Perriman or Morton over guys like Deion (WR), Kevin Williams, Billy Davis, Jeff Ogden, Cory Fleming, Patrrick Jeffers etc etc any day.

Moore, Perriman and Morton all put up some pretty significant numbers dutring their time in Detroit. Maybe you should check it out.

Yawn, never said they did not put up decent numbers.

Duh, Herman Moore is better than Jeff Ogden.

Reaching, sir.

 

[pdom]

Both are great running backs...I'd say the difference between them lies in the situation.

1st & 10 - Emmitt
2nd/3rd &10 - Barry
2nd/3rd & 3 - tie
4th & short - tie

In the red zone - Emmitt
Inside my own red zone - Emmitt
Between the red zone - Barry

Career - Barry
Season - Barry
Playoffs - Emmitt
Super Bowl - Emmitt

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Ayuh. Stop Barry Sanders and you stopped the Lions. They didn't have anything else.

Stopped Emmitt Smith and you got a dose of Aikman to Irvin or Aikman to Harper. And so on.

Then explain after the Cowboys won their 3rd (1st SBs featuring the Triplets), when Emmitt held out for two games because he wanted "Thurman Thomas money", and the Cowboys inserted the backup, what happened?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

We've gone over this. They had a few good offensive lineman...Dallas had many good offensive lineman, including one slam dunk HoF'er in Allen, and one who probably would be if not for the shortened career (Williams)

Emmit had already won two rushing titles and two SBs before the arrival of Larry Allen. Try again.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Both are great running backs...I'd say the difference between them lies in the situation.

1st & 10 - Emmitt
2nd/3rd &10 - Barry
2nd/3rd & 3 - tie
4th & short - tie

In the red zone - Emmitt
Inside my own red zone - Emmitt
Between the red zone - Barry

Career - Barry
Season - Barry
Playoffs - Emmitt
Super Bowl - Emmitt

Not sure where you get career from, because Emmitt clearly had the better career.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Needless dancing thanks to the offensive line doing a poor job of blocking.

Laz, Emmitt was a great runner but he clearly had it easier than Barry because of a better line.

post a couple of you tube videos on here, and you'll see.

Uh no, but becuase of his impatience in not allowing his blocks to set up. That's why you could not put Barry behind Emmitt's Oline that was far less agile and athletic than Barry's Oline. If Barry was impatient with his zone blocking scheme, he would be even moreso with Emmitt's Oline.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

With the exception of the Eagles and Cowboys, I saw as much or more of Sanders than any player in his era. Who didn't? The guy was a human highlight film. To suggest there are long time NFL fans who didn't see him all that often to really know the player is ridiculous.

Sure you did. Just like you watched Sam Young for all four years of his career at Notre Dame, because you are a big time Notre Dame fan.

 

[Cr122]

Uh no, but becuase of his impatience in not allowing his blocks to set up. That's why you could not put Barry behind Emmitt's Oline that was far less agile and athletic than Barry's Oline. If Barry was impatient with his zone blocking scheme, he would be even moreso with Emmitt's Oline.

So, you think it has to do with the blocking scheme?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

So lets work it the other way...Emmitt Smith had the luxury of playing with a HOF QB and WR, one the best offensive lines ever assembled, and perhaps the greatest blocking fullback ever. He also had that timing offense that put him the right position to succeed.

WRONG. I like Moose Johnston as much as any Cowboys' fan, but Matt Suhey of the Bears was better, and was as important to Peyton as Johnston was to Emmitt. But when those two: Emmitt and Walter got into the red zone (goal line), they were not taken out and replaced by either of their FBs.

As for the best Oline assembled, then explain why none of them made the Pro Bowl until after Emmitt arrived?