Larry Allen Top 100 Greatest Players

[Cr122]

Why is it that people that claim Barry was greater than EMmitt, are hypocritical and clueless in their arguements?

Did you see Barry Sanders run? Probably not, because you were sucking on nipple juice at the time. Too young to understand.

I seen both of them play, and Barry had a harder time collecting yards than Emmitt did, what's that tell ya?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

BTW, neither Glover OR Brown ever made a Pro Bowl in a season in which they did not block for Barry Sanders. Hmmmmmm.

So are you suggesting that Barry made them better? But yet you jumped on me for daring to make the claim that Emmitt made his Oline better. Like I said... hypocrite.


Nate Newton, Mark Stepnoski, Ray Donaldson, Erik Williams, Mark Tuinei, also didn't make the Pro Bowl in a season where they did not block for Emmitt.

Ron Stone, Kevin Gogan never made the Pro Bowl at all with the Cowboys. Hard to do when you're a backup. They did make it elswhere. Larry Allen made it with the 49ers, but everyone knows that was due to name recognition. Allen was nowhere's near the player he was.

So your point...? Hmmmmmmm

 

[sbk92]

They just can't be rational.

Barry Sanders was one of the greatest players of all time regardless of position. I have no issue with anyone who considers him the best RB.

I don't think he had the warrior in him like Emmitt did. I think you could break Sanders quicker than you could Emmitt. And while Emmitt clearly had far superior talent around him, he did raise his game in the big spots. Sanders not so much.

Barry obviously was the more gifted runner.

The question that's been asked for years - Would the Cowboys have won as much with Sanders and not Emmitt? - is one that will be debated for many years.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Laz, I'm using your own mentally retarded duck duck goose logic against you. I'm implying that the only reason Emmitt Smith was so good was because of the players and system around him, just like you did to diminish Sanders. Think. Slowly.

You ahve no logic. People like you want to give Barry all the credit and no credit to the people around him. Fact is, Barry played in a run-n-shoot offense for the majority of his career---which you claimed he didn't because you didn't have a clue, and in playing in such an offense---a spread offense, this caused the defense to be in nickel and dime packages. Barry did not face nearly as many 8 men in the box as Emmitt.

 

[sbk92]

Barry Sanders created more rushing yards on his own than any back to ever play the game. By a country mile.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Did you see Barry Sanders run? Probably not, because you were sucking on nipple juice at the time. Too young to understand.

I seen both of them play, and Barry had a harder time collecting yards than Emmitt did, what's that tell ya?

I guarantee you I watched Barry play more than most---especially you, if not all on this board. Due to my geographical location I got to see him quite frequently.

And Barry had a hard time collecting yards because he did alot of needless dancing.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Laz. I'm going to speak slowly for you.

You said that Barry was a product of his system and the players around him. i said so was Emmitt.

You said that Emmitt made his teammates better. I said so did Barry.

see what I did there?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Barry Sanders created more rushing yards on his own than any back to ever play the game. By a country mile.

Sure he did inbred. He certainly created more negative yards on his own than any back to play the game.

 

[sbk92]

Geographical location?

Did we time warp back to the 20s?

There isn't a person reading this that hasn't watched Sanders through his entire career.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Laz. I'm going to speak slowly for you.

You said that Barry was a product of his system and the players around him. i said so was Emmitt.

You said that Emmitt made his teammates better. I said so did Barry.

see what I did there?

Emmitt would have more success in Barry's sytem than Barry would have in Emmitt's system. Emmitt would tear up some nickle defense, but how would Barry fare constantly against an extra LB and against 8 men in a box? How would he fare in an offense that wasn't spread?

 

[sbk92]

Sure he did inbred. He certainly created more negative yards on his own than any back to play the game.

Continue to embarrass yourself.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

They just can't be rational.

Barry Sanders was one of the greatest players of all time regardless of position. I have no issue with anyone who considers him the best RB.

I don't think he had the warrior in him like Emmitt did. I think you could break Sanders quicker than you could Emmitt. And while Emmitt clearly had far superior talent around him, he did raise his game in the big spots. Sanders not so much.

Barry obviously was the more gifted runner.

The question that's been asked for years - Would the Cowboys have won as much with Sanders and not Emmitt? - is one that will be debated for many years.

I agree with this 100 percent. Emmitt was an absolute warrior. He was an animal in the big game. Barry, not so much. That does not change the fact that Barry was an elite back. My top backs list goes 1. Payton, 2 A/B Sanders & Emmitt.

I just don't like every excuse in the book being trotted out to lower Sanders. Scott Mitchell and Bret ****ing Perriman have been used for christs sakes.

 

[sbk92]

Emmitt would have more success in Barry's sytem than Barry would have in Emmitt's system. Emmitt would tear up some nickle defense, but how would Barry fare constantly against an extra LB and against 8 men in a box? How would he fare in an offense that wasn't spread?

Laughable.

If the question is which back had it better, the answer is obviously Emmitt.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Geographical location?

Did we time warp back to the 20s?

There isn't a person reading this that hasn't watched Sanders through his entire career.

Yeah because I'm sure you out on the East coast were getting Detroit games on a weekly basis over the Giants, Jets, Patriots, Bills, Eagles, etc.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Emmitt would have more success in Barry's sytem than Barry would have in Emmitt's system. Emmitt would tear up some nickle defense, but how would Barry fare constantly against an extra LB and against 8 men in a box? How would he fare in an offense that wasn't spread?

Yeah, I forgot that those NFC Central/North defenses had top to contend with Andre Ware and Johnny Morton.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Laughable.

If the question is which back had it better, the answer is obviously Emmitt.

Apple and oranges. Not facing 8 men fronts on a constant basis but nickel defenses, doesn't sound like such a bad deal.

 

[sbk92]

Yeah because I'm sure you out on the East coast were getting Detroit games on a weekly basis over the Giants, Jets, Patriots, Bills, Eagles, etc.

With the exception of the Eagles and Cowboys, I saw as much or more of Sanders than any player in his era. Who didn't? The guy was a human highlight film. To suggest there are long time NFL fans who didn't see him all that often to really know the player is ridiculous.

 

[sbk92]

Apple and oranges. Not facing 8 men fronts on a constant basis but nickel defenses, doesn't sound like such a bad deal.

You say he faced nothing but nickel defenses. I know better.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

LAz, name the 10 best Lions that played with Barry Sanders.

I'll get the ball rolling on Emmitt's side:

Aikman, Irvin, Johnston, Allen, Newton, Williams, Sanders, Woodson, Novacek, Haley...I'll wait. I have another set of 10 ready.

 

[sbk92]

Look at the shat he played with for most of those years? You think defensive coordinators didn't tailor their gameplan around containing Sanders? Of course they did.