JJT - Miles Austin paid like elite receiver, but not playing like one

[Cythim]

Oh no, Jerry might have wasted some of his own money on Austin. Why the fuck do you care?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We won't count the Giants game since he played with both QBs.

Bryant with Romo for 5 games - 18 receptions, 211 yards, 1 TD

Bryant with Kitna for 4 games - 22 receptions, 282 yards, 3 TDs

That's a very generous comparison. First, Kitna threw two TD passes to Dez in the Giants game we aren't counting. Second, Dez only played half of that 4th game before breaking his ankle.

Now, let's do Austin, and again...not count the first Giants game with both QBs....

Austin with Romo for 5 games - 33 receptions, 486 yards, 2 TDs

Austin with Kitna for 9 games - 31 receptions, 455 yards, 5 TDs


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Looks to me like one WR didn't miss a beat with the QB change while the other saw his production nearly cut in half with the exception of his TD total.

You do realize that Miles and Witten were drawing all the attention then, right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm "bashing" the decision because it didn't need to be made at that time. If you can avoid paying a guy off of one total year of NFL production, you do it. The Cowboys had that option but declined.

Bad move.

You have to pay the guy eventually, and the market dictates that you have to pay well. Or are you suggesting that Miles shouldn't even be apart of the team anymore?

And, no. I don't consider Vick a one year wonder like Austin. That is retarded.

I don't think you know what a one-year wonder is. It means you have 1 great year. Vick has never had a great season as a QB until this year.

I won't even get into a debate about who has the more impressive resume at the time of their resign. Vick may have always been overrated, but he wasn't riding the bench for all but one year of his career.

Doesn't matter, and let's not act like Austin has been in the league for 10 years and only has come off the bench in 2 of them. He should have came off sooner, only we had/have stupid coaches.

No team was going to drive up the price. It would have been the same as the Romo situation. You waited. Saw him doing it again the next year and then you act before he hits FA.

You risked nothing by waiting. You risked everything by signing a year ahead of time.

What exactly are we risking? Are we going to be up against the cap because of his contract? I think you can find more less deserving contracts on the team before you point to Miles' if that's the case.

 

[sbk92]

Oh no, Jerry might have wasted some of his own money on Austin. Why the fuck do you care?

Because every team has its own budget and money spent there effects the money you can spend elsewhere.

As if that needed to be said.

Classic homer response. It's not your money!!

 

[sbk92]

You do realize that Miles and Witten were drawing all the attention then, right?

lol

Yeah.

Teams decided to start paying attention to Miles the second Romo went out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol

Yeah.

Teams decided to start paying attention to Miles the second Romo went out.

lol what? I never said it started with Kitna. You get less chances to make plays when you're receiving most of the attention, esp playing with a lesser QB, hence the drop in stats.

 

[sbk92]

You have to pay the guy eventually, and the market dictates that you have to pay well. Or are you suggesting that Miles shouldn't even be apart of the team anymore?

I'm suggesting you make the player back up his only year of production so you have a better idea of his true value.

The mission is to avoid bad contracts.

I don't think you know what a one-year wonder is. It means you have 1 great year. Vick has never had a great season as a QB until this year.

I don't think you do. Miles Austin was the definition of a one year wonder going into this season. He had exactly one season where he wasn't a fringe player sitting on a bench.

Vick was overrated in Atlanta. But he was a legitimate starting NFL QB who took his team to the Championship game. You can't compare the two.

Doesn't matter, and let's not act like Austin has been in the league for 10 years and only has come off the bench in 2 of them. He should have came off sooner, only we had/have stupid coaches.

Or we took a green as grass undrafted kid from Monmouth and it took a few years to get him ready.

What exactly are we risking? Are we going to be up against the cap because of his contract? I think you can find more less deserving contracts on the team before you point to Miles' if that's the case.

We're risking investing big dollars and not getting big production in return.

I didn't realize salaries shouldn't be a thing to worry about. It's almost as if I'm talking to homers who can't tolerate the valid criticism of the way their team is run.

It's bad business practice to pay top dollar off that one lone year when you have the guy for another year. I don't care who it is. You don't do it.

I'm not surprised Austin took a step back this year. I knew he would. He's a good receiver. Not a great one.

 

[sbk92]

lol what? I never said it started with Kitna. You get less chances to make plays when you're receiving most of the attention, esp playing with a lesser QB, hence the drop in stats.

Teams didn't start paying attention to Austin when Romo went down. He faced the same defenses he saw with Romo and he was putting up good numbers.

When Kitna came in, his production went down. And that's 100% because he isn't good enough to carry his QB, like Dez Bryant did briefly in only his rookie year.

 

[sbk92]

Bryant thrived under Kitna. Austin wilted.

There's a reason. One's the franchise. The other's the compliment.

 

[Cythim]

Because every team has its own budget and money spent there effects the money you can spend elsewhere.

As if that needed to be said.

Classic homer response. It's not your money!!

So Jerry could spend money somewhere else? Jerry could have spent more money last off season but he didn't, and it was not because of Austin's contract. If Jerry moved that money you would bitch about how it spends it anyways because that is what you do. Your hatred for Jerry is sadly predictable.

 

[sbk92]

So Jerry could spend money somewhere else? Jerry could have spent more money last off season but he didn't, and it was not because of Austin's contract. If Jerry moved that money you would bitch about how it spends it anyways because that is what you do. Your hatred for Jerry is sadly predictable.

Yes, Jerry could use that money this year, or next year. With or without a cap. Player salary is very critical to success on the field.

You just have an axe to grind. And once again, you left rational thinking at the door.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm suggesting you make the player back up his only year of production so you have a better idea of his true value.

The mission is to avoid bad contracts.

The market dictates that in order to keep young, promising talent, that you pay them well.

I don't think you do. Miles Austin was the definition of a one year wonder going into this season. He had exactly one season where he wasn't a fringe player sitting on a bench.

Vick was overrated in Atlanta. But he was a legitimate starting NFL QB who took his team to the Championship game. You can't compare the two.

I'm not comparing the two's career to date, but 2010 is an anomaly for Vick, which makes it a 1-year wonder until he can repeat it.

Or we took a green as grass undrafted kid from Monmouth and it took a few years to get him ready.

It has more to do with the fact that the 2 people who were responsible for making up the roster then (Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips) are morons. He did really well in 2008 with the limited opportunities, scoring 3 TDs on 19 receptions for a 21 yard average.

We're risking investing big dollars and not getting big production in return.

I'm sorry, I can't see into the future for the next 4 or 5 years like you can. But it's simple economics, young promising talent who produce on the field, deserve big contracts. It's just the way the NFL works.

I didn't realize salaries shouldn't be a thing to worry about. It's almost as if I'm talking to homers who can't tolerate the valid criticism of the way their team is run.

lol, I'm one of the biggest critics of the Cowboys there is, but not everything they do is wrong.

It's bad business practice to pay top dollar off that one lone year when you have the guy for another year. I don't care who it is. You don't do it.

I'm not surprised Austin took a step back this year. I knew he would. He's a good receiver. Not a great one.

It's pretty ironic that after 1 year, you're ready to proclaim Austin's future status.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Teams didn't start paying attention to Austin when Romo went down. He faced the same defenses he saw with Romo and he was putting up good numbers.

Yes, defenses geared to stopping him. The fact that he did so well with the attention fares pretty well for him.

When Kitna came in, his production went down. And that's 100% because he isn't good enough to carry his QB, like Dez Bryant did briefly in only his rookie year.

It's easy to carry a QB when you're facing mostly single coverage.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bryant thrived under Kitna. Austin wilted.

There's a reason. One's the franchise. The other's the compliment.

No doubt that Dez Bryant is a great talent, but we're not comparing the two. You just don't understand how the NFL and contracts work.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I call bullshit on the Romo theory. A homer cop out.

An elite #1 WR doesn't need his QB. He will produce regardless.

And he won't drop balls at an alarming rate.

Calvin Johnson is a true #1 WR. He puts up the numbers regardless of the revolving door at QB.

And who do the freaking Lions have outside of Johnson? Do they have a Bryant? Do they have a Williams? Do they have a Witten? Because if they did and the ball was spread around more, then Johnson wouldn't be putting up those numbers. Duh!

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

So Jerry could spend money somewhere else? Jerry could have spent more money last off season but he didn't, and it was not because of Austin's contract. If Jerry moved that money you would bitch about how it spends it anyways because that is what you do. Your hatred for Jerry is sadly predictable.

The bleatings of sbk92: Four legs good... two legs bad. Parcells good... Jerry bad. Four legs good... Jerry bad. Parcells good... two legs bad.

 

[Cythim]

Austin had 9 targets per game under Romo and 6 targets per game under Kitna. But that shouldn't hurt his stats any. Nope, not one bit.

 

[Cythim]

Yes, Jerry could use that money this year, or next year. With or without a cap. Player salary is very critical to success on the field.

You just have an axe to grind. And once again, you left rational thinking at the door.

You are the one grinding the axe here. You keep beating a dead horse but the fact is no matter what Jerry did with the money it would've been a bad move to you. Jerry may suck at picking talent but he knows money better than you do.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did SVU put sbk in police protection and give him a rape kit?

 

[sbk92]

Austin had 9 targets per game under Romo and 6 targets per game under Kitna. But that shouldn't hurt his stats any. Nope, not one bit.

QBs don't throw to guys who aren't open.

Hey, Sam Hurd doesn't get any targets. Quit holding the man down.