JJT - Miles Austin paid like elite receiver, but not playing like one

[sbk92]

Yeah, he's a part-time player so he doesn't deserve an extension is really looking deep into the subject...

I said he was a one year wonder. Which he was.

This was before I said he was a player to keep an eye on the day we signed him as an UDFA. Which was before I said he was going to be a factor in our offense two years before it happened.

I'm batting a 1.000 here.

Austin wasn't a FA. He didn't need to be signed. There is no valid reason why you jump the gun and pay him like he's elite before having to back up his one year of any production at all in the NFL. It's bad business practice. It leads to bad contracts.

Like Austin's, for instance.

 

[sbk92]

Now we have two WR's paid as top #1 wideouts and neither are near as good as the rookie who eventually will need to be paid as a real one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I said he was a one year wonder. Which he was.

This was before I said he was a player to keep an eye on the day we signed him as an UDFA. Which was before I said he was going to be a factor in our offense two years before it happened.

I'm batting a 1.000 here.

Austin wasn't a FA. He didn't need to be signed. There is no valid reason why you jump the gun and pay him like he's elite before having to back up his one year of any production at all in the NFL. It's bad business practice. It leads to bad contracts.

Like Austin's, for instance.

Yes, he was a 1-year wonder who just happened to possess the skill-set that you look for in a #1 WR, and was only 26 years old.

Austin was an RFA, those players are extended before they hit the street every year. Gaw, you're dumb.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

He would have had the same if not better numbers than last year if Romo didn't go down on that weak ass hit.

I'm haqppy we got him and I'm glad he got paid...

Now that Roy ****** bitch is another story. If Austin is a # 2 WR, Roy is a #3 that gets paid top money.

 

[sbk92]

Yes, he was a 1-year wonder who just happened to possess the skill-set that you look for in a #1 WR, and was only 26 years old.

Austin was an RFA, those players are extended before they hit the street every year. Gaw, you're dumb.

lol Yeah, RFA's are always signed to lengthy top of the league pay at their position. They are never tendered and forced to play out the rest of their contract. That never happens and anybody who remembers it happening as standard league practice is wrong.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol Yeah, RFA's are always signed to lengthy top of the league pay at their position. They are never tendered and forced to play out the rest of their contract. That never happens and anybody who remembers it happening as standard league practice is wrong.

Not always, you dipshit. You're the one claiming that Jerry is setting a bad precedent when the precedent has existed before he decided to extend Miles Austin before he finished out his restricted year.

 

[sbk92]

I call bullshit on the Romo theory. A homer cop out.

An elite #1 WR doesn't need his QB. He will produce regardless.

And he won't drop balls at an alarming rate.

Calvin Johnson is a true #1 WR. He puts up the numbers regardless of the revolving door at QB.

 

[sbk92]

Not always, you dipshit. You're the one claiming that Jerry is setting a bad precedent when the precedent has existed before he decided to extend Miles Austin before he finished out his restricted year.

Really?

When has a guy who produced for one year in his entire career been given top pay for his position in a long term extension a year before he hits unrestricted free agency?

Most restricted guys have a few years of production. Austin had 1.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I call bullshit on the Romo theory. A homer cop out.

An elite #1 WR doesn't need his QB. He will produce regardless.

And he won't drop balls at an alarming rate.

Calvin Johnson is a true #1 WR. He puts up the numbers regardless of the revolving door at QB.

What about Larry Fitzgerald? Oops...

 

[sbk92]

What about Larry Fitzgerald? Oops...

Yeah, I guess I should say a #1 WR will produce with average NFL talent throwing to him.

Kitna is plenty good enough. He didn't effect Bryant. He shouldn't have effected Austin.

Otherwise, Austin is merely a product of Romo. Still not worthy of his contract.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Really?

When has a guy who produced for one year in his entire career been given top pay for his position in a long term extension a year before he hits unrestricted free agency?

Most restricted guys have a few years of production. Austin had 1.

Austin didn't just "produce" for one year, he dominated his position. And if you want to look at precedent, the Eagles extend young players still under contract all the time. Players' production only peter out when they either reach a certain age, or don't have the physical skills to overcome the extra attention. None which can be attributed to Austin, so other than the 1 year factor, excuse me, cop-out, you have nothing.

Let me ask you this since we're on the subject of the Eagles. Should Michael Vick receive an extension, paying him among the top QBs in the NFL?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, I guess I should say a #1 WR will produce with average NFL talent throwing to him.

Kitna is plenty good enough. He didn't effect Bryant. He shouldn't have effected Austin.

Otherwise, Austin is merely a product of Romo. Still not worthy of his contract.

Oh no? A QB who has to check down 70% of the time because the Oline sucks?

 

[sbk92]

Austin didn't just "produce" for one year, he dominated his position. And if you want to look at precedent, the Eagles extend young players still under contract all the time.

Whatever Austin did, he did it for.....~drumroll~.....one year.

The Eagles and Patriots are the best in the business at signing the right guys at the right time.

I don't remember them ever making a move like Austin's. It's against their nature. Not when they have another year under contract.

Let me ask you this since we're on the subject of the Eagles. Should Michael Vick receive an extension, paying him among the top QBs in the NFL?

How is this the same thing? They don't have another year to make this decision. It's either shat or get off the pot. So yeah, in that situation, I'd say they have to do it.

 

[sbk92]

Oh no? A QB who has to check down 70% of the time because the Oline sucks?

Didn't. Effect. Bryant.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Whatever Austin did, he did it for.....~drumroll~.....one year.

The Eagles and Patriots are the best in the business at signing the right guys at the right time.

I don't remember them ever making a move like Austin's. It's against their nature. Not when they have another year under contract.

Yeah, young guys with upside. And in a situation where they're bidding for their services with noone but themselves.

And they haven't made a move like the re-signing of Austin because Austin was a unique situation. A player buried under the roster due to incompetent coaches.

How is this the same thing? They don't have another year to make this decision. It's either shat or get off the pot. So yeah, in that situation, I'd say they have to do it.

He's a 1-year player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Didn't. Effect. Bryant.

Oh no? He has as many TD receptions under both QBs and averaged less yards per reception with Kitna throwing him the ball. And part of the reason he was the focus of those receptions was due to the attention paid to Austin.

 

[sbk92]

He's a 1-year player.

Entering unrestricted free agency.

It is even fair to call him a one year player. His resume dwarfs Austin's when he signed. But it's beside the point. The Eagles have to make that move they will lose the player. The Cowboys didn't have to make their move or lose their player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Entering unrestricted free agency.

I know, but he's basically a one-year wonder. Now is he deserving of a huge contract on par with a top 5 QB or not? Isn't that part of the reason why you're bashing the extension of Austin, because of the size of the contract and that he was a one-year wonder?

It is even fair to call him a one year player. His resume dwarfs Austin's when he signed. But it's beside the point. The Eagles have to make that move they will lose the player. The Cowboys didn't have to make their move or lose their player.

dude sucked as a QB. I know, I know, you got sucked into the ESPN hype, but still.

The Cowboys did have to make the move so as not to risk another team driving up the price range.

 

[sbk92]

Oh no? He has as many TD receptions under both QBs and averaged less yards per reception with Kitna throwing him the ball. And part of the reason he was the focus of those receptions was due to the attention paid to Austin.

We won't count the Giants game since he played with both QBs.

Bryant with Romo for 5 games - 18 receptions, 211 yards, 1 TD

Bryant with Kitna for 4 games - 22 receptions, 282 yards, 3 TDs

That's a very generous comparison. First, Kitna threw two TD passes to Dez in the Giants game we aren't counting. Second, Dez only played half of that 4th game before breaking his ankle.

Now, let's do Austin, and again...not count the first Giants game with both QBs....

Austin with Romo for 5 games - 33 receptions, 486 yards, 2 TDs

Austin with Kitna for 9 games - 31 receptions, 455 yards, 5 TDs


---------


Looks to me like one WR didn't miss a beat with the QB change while the other saw his production nearly cut in half with the exception of his TD total.

 

[sbk92]

I know, but he's basically a one-year wonder. Now is he deserving of a huge contract on par with a top 5 QB or not? Isn't that part of the reason why you're bashing the extension of Austin, because of the size of the contract and that he was a one-year wonder?

I'm "bashing" the decision because it didn't need to be made at that time. If you can avoid paying a guy off of one total year of NFL production, you do it. The Cowboys had that option but declined.

Bad move.

And, no. I don't consider Vick a one year wonder like Austin. That is retarded.

dude sucked as a QB. I know, I know, you got sucked into the ESPN hype, but still.

The Cowboys did have to make the move so as not to risk another team driving up the price range.

I won't even get into a debate about who has the more impressive resume at the time of their resign. Vick may have always been overrated, but he wasn't riding the bench for all but one year of his career.

No team was going to drive up the price. It would have been the same as the Romo situation. You waited. Saw him doing it again the next year and then you act before he hits FA.

You risked nothing by waiting. You risked everything by signing a year ahead of time.