Gun Rights Discussion

[Scot]

Well if I cant use firearm. Then get bear spray and use it against thief or other criminals. That will bring them to hospital but it's legal.

You plan to stop a criminal with a gun by using Bear Spray?

That is so internetking of you

 

[icup]

thats it, its bear spray, end of discussion, we can close the thread now

 

[Doomsday]

Adults were having intelligent discussion, and then....

"Bear Spray."

 

[InternetKing]

True but if gun was illegal, what other options we have? The gun. That my point here.

 

[Doomsday]

True but if gun was illegal, what other options we have? The gun. That my point here.

If gun was illegal the criminal would still have one.

IS the point.

 

[Doomsday]

True but if gun was illegal, what other options we have? The gun. That my point here.

What you're REALLY trying to say is "you don't need a gun" and that's irrelevant. We have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms. There's no qualifiers in that. Whether you "need" a firearm or not is a silly childish argument. To keep and bear arms is a fucking RIGHT guaranteed in the Constitution. And it also forbids the government from INFRINGING on that right.

 

[Dodger12]

Each state has its own laws in that regard. I'm talking FEDERAL law. The FEDERAL statute is 5 years no parole, you must serve 85 percent of that. Make it 20 and make it mandatory to be charged federally.

The problem with federal law is that it's not applied equally and doesn't have to be applied at all. I'd bet most drug and gun arrests by feds are prosecuted in state courts.

 

[Dodger12]

Bear spray? Please make it stop.....

 

[icup]

dooms can you drop a link where i can buy bear arms? what are the reviews like? is it better than the spray?

 

[dbair1967]

If gun was illegal the criminal would still have one.

IS the point.

Explanation won't work for him without picture drawn in crayon Dooms

 

[dbair1967]

True but if gun was illegal, what other options we have? The gun. That my point here.

Memo to you bad guys out there, when we make guns illegal that means you won't show up and try to rob or kill us, right?

 

[Doomsday]

The problem with federal law is that it's not applied equally and doesn't have to be applied at all. I'd bet most drug and gun arrests by feds are prosecuted in state courts.

If it's charged under federal statutes it's adjudicated in federal court. Doesn't matter who does the arrest. The AUSA for that district decides yea or nay. MY idea is, if it's felon in possession it HAS to be federal and you're lookin at 20 years in federal pen.

 

[Scot]

dooms can you drop a link where i can buy bear arms? what are the reviews like? is it better than the spray?

I Gotchu icup

 

[Dodger12]

If it's charged under federal statutes it's adjudicated in federal court. Doesn't matter who does the arrest. The AUSA for that district decides yea or nay. MY idea is, if it's felon in possession it HAS to be federal and you're lookin at 20 years in federal pen.

My point is it doesn't HAVE to be federal. That's at the discretion of the federal prosecutor. Most of these cases go state and that was an issue when I was still working.

 

[Doomsday]

My point is it doesn't HAVE to be federal

And that's what I'm saying needs changed, for felon in possession.

Most of these cases go state and that was an issue when I was still working.

If they "go to state," federal laws don't apply and aren't used. States can't prosecute federal statutes.

If the state charges you with felon in possession they prosecute you using their statute. This does not stop the AUSA from also charging you federally. If he does, the state usually drops their complaint but it's not required.

I know you're aware of all this, I'm explaining it for other readers.

 

[Dodger12]

And that's what I'm saying needs changed, for felon in possession.

If they "go to state," federal laws don't apply and aren't used. States can't prosecute federal statutes.

If the state charges you with felon in possession they prosecute you using their statute. This does not stop the AUSA from also charging you federally. If he does, the state usually drops their complaint but it's not required.

I know you're aware of all this, I'm explaining it for other readers.

I'm aware of how the system works. What I'm saying is that federal level violators are often prosecuted in state court with state laws. Some states had 5 year mandatories for weapons offenses by prior felons or if a weapon was used during a felony but I don't know if that's the case any more.

You can't force fed prosecutors to take cases.

 

[Doomsday]

You can't force fed prosecutors to take cases.

Nobody's proposing that. There's nothing in what I've said that even suggests that. I'm saying that any arrest for FiP gets presented to the AUSA of that district. I want to change the federal FiP law by giving it a lot more teeth. No bargaining with it, no reduced sentence or dropped charge for cooperation. If the AUSA goes with it it's the whole truckload - 20 year minimum for conviction.

Some states had 5 year mandatories for weapons offenses by prior felons or if a weapon was used during a felony but I don't know if that's the case any more.

More times than not the state FiP laws are used to broker deals. "We'll drop that if you give us a bigger fish." It happens federally as well.

We have laws that if prosecuted, have to be federal. Making illegal liquor is one. I'm just adding one.

What I'm saying is that federal level violators are often prosecuted in state court with state laws.

Which is exactly what I said as well.

I'm aware of how the system works.

I said that too.

 

[Scot]

And so it begins

Judges erase ‘and bear arms’ from Second Amendment - Washington Examiner

Even before the ink dries on a controversial new gun-control decision by the San Francisco-based 9th District Court of Appeals, firearms advocates are preparing to push it to the U.S. Supreme Court because it appears to rewrite the Second Amendment.In deciding Young v. State of Hawaii, the split...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[yimyammer]

Enjoy the Bear spray while you can, its only a matter of time until there's a mass bear spraying event and it will cancel this shit too because laws written on paper stop crimes, not guns or bear spray

 

[yimyammer]

PS...

Spoiler

More bear spray!