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FFS guys go look at the chart punk linked to. It shows on January 21, 2009 the national average was $1.86.

lol

In all seriousness, the prices were around $1.81 when he took office, but the rise has little to do with presidential policy.

I understand that we are not better off on this subject than we were 4 years ago, but I don't think Obama should be the fall guy for it.

Does the President really have much control over gas prices? The short answer is: not really. One way to understand that is to look at how gas prices have fared under President Obama. When he entered office in January 2009, gas cost $1.81 a gallon . Now it’s nearly $2 a gallon higher, an increase of 95%. That sounds bad, but the main reason gas had become so cheap at the start of the Obama Administration was that he was took office during the heart of the worst global recession since the Great Depression. Recession depress economic demand, and when demand is depressed, fewer people drive — which in turns leads the price of gas to fall like any other commodity would when demand falls. As the economy recovered and economic activity picked up — both in the U.S. and elsewhere — the price of gas rose as well.

But what about encouraging more production of oil, both in the U.S. and in friendly nations like Canada, with its vast oil-sands reserve? For one thing, domestic oil production has increased under President Obama, thanks largely to the new unconventional reserves in states like North Dakota. Does Obama deserve much credit for that increase in domestic oil? Probably not. Though Obama has put some additional regulations on the oil industry in the wake of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, it’s hard to imagine that oil companies wouldn’t have been just as eager and able to tap those new resources under a Republican as they have been under a Democrat. And more to the point, that additional domestic oil has done little to alleviate gas prices, in part because oil functions on a global market, and extra American crude is just a drop in that much larger bucket.

Republicans will counter by charging that Obama blocked the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have transported over 800,000 barrels a day of oil-sands crude into the U.S. They’re on firmer ground here — the oil sands are a potentially massive resource, and if that crude can flow unimpeded to the U.S., there’s every reason to expect it would help reduce gas prices somewhat. (That’s ignoring the very real environmental and climate risks presented by the oil sands.) But even so, Keystone would have little immediate effect, especially since there’s already sufficient pipeline infrastructure in place for the next few years. The extra oil brought in by the pipeline might — might — reduce gas prices a few cents a gallon.

In truth, gas prices have increased largely because the U.S. economy is doing better, raising demand for gas along with everything else. Europe’s economy has remained sluggish and risks falling apart completely, which has acted as a drag on oil, but China has kept chugging along — chances are it will use 5% more oil this year. And then there’s Iran, which exports 2.2 million barrels of oil a day. That’s just a tiny part of the 89 million barrels of oil that are consumed globally, but if something goes seriously wrong in Iran — imagine an Israeli attack on the country’s nuclear facilities or even a total ban on exports — the impact on oil markets and gas prices would be ugly.
 
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In February 2001, just after Mr. Bush took office, the average price of regular gasoline was $1.45 a gallon. By June 2008, that price had risen to $4.05.

Domestic policy, whether from a liberal or a conservative:

Consider a recent poll of a panel of economists conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. The 41 panel members were asked whether they agreed with the following statement: “Changes in U.S. gasoline prices over the past 10 years have predominantly been due to market factors rather than U.S. federal economic or energy policies.”

Not a single member of the panel disagreed with the statement.

Here is why: Oil is a global market in which America is a big consumer but a small supplier. We consume about 20 percent of the world’s oil but hold only 2 percent of the oil reserves. That means we are, in economics jargon, “price takers.” Domestic production has increased during the Obama administration, but it has had minimal effects on global prices because, as producers, we are just too small to matter much. And even if domestic oil companies further increased production, they would sell to the highest global bidder.

If you’re not convinced by economic theory or the opinions of economists, consider some recent history . Presumably, no one would call President George W. Bush unfriendly to the oil industry . Yet the price of gasoline rose steadily during most of his administration. In February 2001, just after Mr. Bush took office, the average price of regular gasoline was $1.45 a gallon. By June 2008, that price had risen to $4.05. Still think presidents and oil-friendly policies can determine oil prices?
 
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Pep gas was 3.06 under bush in 07

Your implication was that it was 1.80 or below until obama took office.

It's a pretty cute trick.

Sorry if I have lost all credibility with you.
I never implied that. Sorry if you misread it.
 
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In February 2001, just after Mr. Bush took office, the average price of regular gasoline was $1.45 a gallon. By June 2008, that price had risen to $4.05.

Domestic policy, whether from a liberal or a conservative:
lol

"market factors" include a never-ending list of things, I'm assuming? Likely to include foreign policy, right?

So it rose dramatically under Bush and it rose dramatically under Obama... Something's not working amirite? :confused
 

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lol

"market factors" include a never-ending list of things, I'm assuming? Likely to include foreign policy, right?

So it rose dramatically under Bush and it rose dramatically under Obama... Something's not working amirite? :confused

Yeah. Political parties have been held hostile to big business for quite some time now.
 

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What right do reps want to strip? they want to take rights that have never been rights?

We can quibble about whether or not they're "rights" (which is obviously your plan here) but republicans have taken active steps to discriminate against minorities and the elderly with their voter ID laws, discriminated against women at every step by attempting to outlaw the uterus, and have hindered/opposed homosexuals attempts at equality at every turn.
 

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Enjoy these discussions while you can, guys. Before the staff creates another website for us to discuss politics before outright banning those discussions altogether.

Expect to get infracted for your sig any day now, superpunk.
 

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Enjoy these discussions while you can, guys. Before the staff creates another website for us to discuss politics before outright banning those discussions altogether.

Expect to get infracted for your sig anytime now, superpunk.


Going to extremes isn't going to make your point look any better. It makes you look like a fool and no one will listen/read.

If you have suggestions/concerns about anything just post those. We aren't trying to become an overly moderated forum, we just want to make it a tad more civil. You suggesting that the board is going to start censoring or banning people all of the sudden is only going to start one of your typical back-and-forth rants that don't go anwhere.
 

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What does making the forum a tad more civil entail? Is there a set criteria or are you guys just winging it?
 

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What do you want, bob?

Less arbitrariness. You guys are like Procrustes.

Also, we've had these phases before in the past that just come and go. One minute everyone can go hog-wild, then the next it's everyone hold hands and get along, like the seasons changing.
 
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