Day after bad loss good news thread

[Doomsday]

We had the ball three in the 3rd qtr. One ended in a 3 and out (first one). The 2nd drive ended with that horrendous interception despite Cole Beasley being wide open in middle of field. The third one ended in a punt.

Total number of Weeden completed passes to Cowboy players on those 3 drives where you claim we spread the field and were "successful", THREE. Yes, THREE. And one of those was for no gain.

Thanks for playing though.

Maybe it was 2nd quarter? I only know that the ONE time we went spread, we were driving. (NOT counting the meaningless last drive.)

Hey it's really this simple - you Romosexuals won't apply the same standards when Romo has a bad game, to the backups. When Romo has a bad game, it's every fucking excuse under the sun. When a backup has a bad game, it's only ever because said backup sucks.

You're not objective or analytical. You're in love.

 

[Doomsday]

According to Sturm:

And there are many reasons for this, the entire offense was out of synch and it wasn't just Weeden.

See above post.

 

[Dodger12]

Right, and they thought all along that Orton would eventually come in. It wasn't until right before camp that they gave up on Orton

Weeden was never intended, or expected to be the #2 guy when they signed him.

Weeden was absolutely brought in to be the #2 guy. He was insuance because they knew in March that Orton was not showing up. The team was just posturing and playing chicken with Orton all the way up to camp and then they blinked and released him.

 

[Dodger12]

And there are many reasons for this, the entire offense was out of synch and it wasn't just Weeden.

See above post.

Your original point was that the team was successful when they went spread offense (in the 3rd). Weeden wasn't successful at a damn thing until the 4th when AZ went into prevent mode.

 

[dbair1967]

Maybe it was 2nd quarter? I only know that the ONE time we went spread, we were driving. (NOT counting the meaningless last drive.)

Hey it's really this simple - you Romosexuals won't apply the same standards when Romo has a bad game, to the backups. When Romo has a bad game, it's every fucking excuse under the sun. When a backup has a bad game, it's only ever because said backup sucks.

You're not objective or analytical. You're in love.

My views on Romo have pissed off a number of people over the years, so accusing me of being a blind loyalist to him is pretty stupid. I have criticized him a ton, I even used the term "washed up" earlier this year.

But I can give credit where credit is due, and he was sensational from the 2nd qtr of the Rams game until the Redskins loss last week.

I was more optimistic about Weeden's start than just about anybody, and it was a major letdown. He was horrible.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I think it was some of both. At first I think he was just a super-cheap flyer (with CLE still paying most of his salary) on a guy they liked coming out, but Jerry said today that letting Orton go was more about Weeden's good play in practice than being mad at Orton.

Now maybe Jerry was lying - always possible -- but Weeden did get a lot of raves in camp. And I still don't think he's as bad as what he showed yesterday. The Cards are the perfectly built team to beat us because they were the best rush D in the league with that huge 34 front and good man to man corners. They aren't 14-3 or whatever over their last 17 games for nothing.

In the end it won't matter because Tony will play this weekend and mop up the Jags with ease.

 

[dbair1967]

Weeden was absolutely brought in to be the #2 guy. He was insuance because they knew in March that Orton was not showing up. The team was just posturing and playing chicken with Orton all the way up to camp and then they blinked and released him.

No he wasn't, if he were they'd have released Orton immediately and saved the cap space when they could have used the money on another position.

They absolutely thought Orton was coming in.

 

[Doomsday]

I was more optimistic about Weeden's start than just about anybody, and it was a major letdown. He was horrible.

I'm in this same boat Pal, but I'm not putting it ALL on Weeden. The whole offense was out of synch - receivers running wrong routes, people missing blocks, dropped passes, RBs running up the ass of o-linemen and missing the actual holes - the whole thing was dysfunctional.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm in this same boat Pal, but I'm not putting it ALL on Weeden. The whole offense was out of synch - receivers running wrong routes, people missing blocks, dropped passes, RBs running up the ass of o-linemen and missing the actual holes - the whole thing was dysfunctional.

I didn't see any wrong routes, Weeden blew those plays IMO. Or people missing many blocks.

Weeden doesn't get all the blame. The D did give up too many 3rd down conversions, and gave up 4/4 redzone TDS and the blocked FG was inexcusable on the ST, but Weeden deserves the vast majority of it. He flat out looked hopeless.

 

[Dodger12]

And I still don't think he's as bad as what he showed yesterday. The Cards are the perfectly built team to beat us because they were the best rush D in the league with that huge 34 front and good man to man corners.

He was we all knew he was. It's what he's been his whole career which is a horrible QB. You've got to be pretty fucking bad to have a QB rating of 24.5 with 11 minutes left in the 4th. And this from a 3rd year receiver with 20 starts under his belt and no hint of drug/alcohol abuse to excuse his horrendous play. He stared down his receiver, never went through any progression and threw some ugly balls. He was putrid.

 

[Dodger12]

No he wasn't, if he were they'd have released Orton immediately and saved the cap space when they could have used the money on another position.

They absolutely thought Orton was coming in.

Follow the bread crumbs Davis........

Dallas Cowboys sign QB Brandon Weeden to two-year contract

Dallas Cowboys sign QB Brandon Weeden to two-year contract | Dallas Morning News

Romo, who will turn 34 next month, is recovering from the second of two back surgeries he underwent in a span of eight months. Orton, meanwhile, has indicated to the Cowboys he isn’t sure he wants to play out the final year of his contract with the Cowboys and is contemplating retirement.

Last month at the NFL combine owner Jerry Jones said he assumed Orton would be back while another club official expressed confidence financial disincentives would convince Orton not to walk away. If Orton, 31, doesn’t return, he would have to pay back $3 million of his $5 million signing bonus while forfeiting a $3.25 million base salary.

Until Jon Kitna signed out of necessity in the final week last season in the wake of the herniated disk Romo suffered, the Cowboys had elected to carry only two quarterbacks on their active roster since Orton has been on the team.

Weeden will give the Cowboys some added insurance as he hopes to resurrect a career that began badly after the Browns invested a first-round choice in the former minor league baseball player.

 

[Doomsday]

I didn't see any wrong routes, Weeden blew those plays IMO. Or people missing many blocks.

Ok... You didn't see. I get that.

 

[dbair1967]

Follow the bread crumbs Davis........

Dallas Cowboys sign QB Brandon Weeden to two-year contract

Dallas Cowboys sign QB Brandon Weeden to two-year contract | Dallas Morning News

Romo, who will turn 34 next month, is recovering from the second of two back surgeries he underwent in a span of eight months. Orton, meanwhile, has indicated to the Cowboys he isn’t sure he wants to play out the final year of his contract with the Cowboys and is contemplating retirement.

Last month at the NFL combine owner Jerry Jones said he assumed Orton would be back while another club official expressed confidence financial disincentives would convince Orton not to walk away. If Orton, 31, doesn’t return, he would have to pay back $3 million of his $5 million signing bonus while forfeiting a $3.25 million base salary.

Until Jon Kitna signed out of necessity in the final week last season in the wake of the herniated disk Romo suffered, the Cowboys had elected to carry only two quarterbacks on their active roster since Orton has been on the team.

Weeden will give the Cowboys some added insurance as he hopes to resurrect a career that began badly after the Browns invested a first-round choice in the former minor league baseball player.

What do insurance mean?

He was not signed with the intent that he would be the #2 guy.

Same article even says a team official says they don't believe Orton will walk away.

 

[dbair1967]

Ok... You didn't see. I get that.

Understandable. You said you saw the offense working with Weeden when nobody else in the world of watching sports did.

 

[Doomsday]

Understandable. You said you saw the offense working with Weeden when nobody else in the world of watching sports did.

For the limited amount it COULD work, with a coaching staff making NO adjustments or changes when shit was not working.

Let's just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting better results each time.

And dude, Dodger is embarrassing you regarding the signing of Weeden.

 

[dbair1967]

He is?

How?

He posted an article that says he was signed as insurance in case Orton wouldn't be here, and same article says Cowboys officials believed Orton would play.

At the time he was signed, he was not intended to be the primary backup QB.

I guess its understandable coming from you.

 

[Dodger12]

What do insurance mean?

He was not signed with the intent that he would be the #2 guy.

Same article even says a team official says they don't believe Orton will walk away.

Were you sleeping during the off-season? If Orton would have stayed, Weeden would have been released. That's insurance. Something was brewing with Orton early on but the Cowboys never thought he's walk away from 3 plus million dollars. But they blinked and cut him since they thought they had an adequate back-up in Weeden. That's why he was signed.

 

[Doomsday]

He is?

How?

He posted an article that says he was signed as insurance in case Orton wouldn't be here, and same article says Cowboys officials believed Orton would play.

At the time he was signed, he was not intended to be the primary backup QB.

They knew they would need a backup and knew Orton would not be on the team. It's documented. Weeden WAS intended as Tony's backup. That was the whole reason to sign him.

 

[Doomsday]

Were you sleeping during the off-season? If Orton would have stayed, Weeden would have been released. That's insurance. Something was brewing with Orton early on but the Cowboys never thought he's walk away from 3 plus million dollars. But they blinked and cut him since they thought they had an adequate back-up in Weeden. That's why he was signed.

^^^ This.

And all of this was documented in the thread we have here, about it.

 

[dbair1967]

Were you sleeping during the off-season? If Orton would have stayed, Weeden would have been released. That's insurance. Something was brewing with Orton early on but the Cowboys never thought he's walk away from 3 plus million dollars. But they blinked and cut him since they thought they had an adequate back-up in Weeden. That's why he was signed.

How do you know that?