Day after bad loss good news thread

[Doomsday]

Put crackpipe down. Weeden WAS that bad.

Product of the horrible game plan and play calling.

Explain how he suddenly got sharp the two times we went into all-out air raid, spread mode.

 

[Dodger12]

Who's better than our backup QB

If Weeden had played for Philly, they'd have lost too

That's the point. The fact that we have Weeden shows the complete ineptitude of our front office.

 

[Dodger12]

Product of the horrible game plan and play calling.

Explain how he suddenly got sharp the two times we went into all-out air raid, spread mode.

I'm going to puke. Any Weeden inference in the same sentence as "all out air raid" disgusts and sickens me for some reason. The Cards went into a prevent defense and gave up the middle of the field. It had nothing to do with play calling.

 

[Omegasupreme]

Put crackpipe down. Weeden WAS that bad.

I just can't understand your angle on things. Weeden, who was a terrible NFL QB with a 59% completion rate and really no distinguishable talent other than he knows the Garrett offense, was put in a position to somehow play Romo's improv part without any of Romo's ability. The Garrett scheme only works with Romo. The 3rd down conversion was 3-11 which is a way different gameplan and philosophy from the first 7 games where the goal was manageable 3rd and short on every series. They had 3.7 yards per carry but they didn't play the series toward the first down. Garrett pushed the pass and got what his scheme gets without Romo: random success, incompletions and interceptions. This was not Linehan. This was like when Garrett hijacked Callahan's playcalling last year and when Garrett was calling the same vanilla plays over and over in 2011 and 2012. Little motion. Little deception. No dictating or attacking. Just a lot of "wait and see how the defense gives us wedgies and then blame the players".

 

[Doomsday]

I'm going to puke. Any Weeden inference in the same sentence as "all out air raid" disgusts and sickens me for some reason. The Cards went into a prevent defense and gave up the middle of the field. It had nothing to do with play calling.

You're talking ONLY about that last drive, and not remembering the all-out spread we ran early in the 3rd quarter, which was working.

Look, obviously the game plan was set on Wednesday, with the thought that Romo would be playing. Therefore it was designed to protect HIM, not to attack the Defense. And that was the entire problem with this offense Sunday. You come out of attack mode, you don't score much. Happens every time it is tried.

Garrett pushed the pass and got what his scheme gets without Romo: random success, incompletions and interceptions. This was not Linehan. This was like when Garrett hijacked Callahan's playcalling last year and when Garrett was calling the same vanilla plays over and over in 2011 and 2012. Little motion. Little deception. No dictating or attacking. Just a lot of "wait and see how the defense gives us wedgies and then blame the players".

No man, this was a "protect the QB" game plan all the way, not in any way a attack the defense plan.

Either way, it fucking sucked and the QB sucked trying to execute it.

 

[dbair1967]

Product of the horrible game plan and play calling.

Explain how he suddenly got sharp the two times we went into all-out air raid, spread mode.

What was horrible about he game plan? JFC, some of you go way overboard with this shit.

The fact of the matter is the QB shit his pants. I don't know what sort of game plan or play calling you think would overcome that. He missed easy throws. he missed a number of easy reads. There's really no excuse with the amount of practice time he's has all year.

The only series he was "sharp" was the TD drive at the end of the game, when the Cards had the game won easily at that point. Other than that he was a huge sack of cowshit.

And just for the record, nobody in this forum was as optimistic as I was about Weeden doing a decent job. I was wrong badly, the guy was far worse than I ever expected.

 

[dbair1967]

That's the point. The fact that we have Weeden shows the complete ineptitude of our front office.

What were they supposed to do? We got hosed by Orton. They tried to make a trade at the final cutdowns.

 

[dbair1967]

I just can't understand your angle on things. Weeden, who was a terrible NFL QB with a 59% completion rate and really no distinguishable talent other than he knows the Garrett offense, was put in a position to somehow play Romo's improv part without any of Romo's ability. The Garrett scheme only works with Romo. The 3rd down conversion was 3-11 which is a way different gameplan and philosophy from the first 7 games where the goal was manageable 3rd and short on every series. They had 3.7 yards per carry but they didn't play the series toward the first down. Garrett pushed the pass and got what his scheme gets without Romo: random success, incompletions and interceptions. This was not Linehan. This was like when Garrett hijacked Callahan's playcalling last year and when Garrett was calling the same vanilla plays over and over in 2011 and 2012. Little motion. Little deception. No dictating or attacking. Just a lot of "wait and see how the defense gives us wedgies and then blame the players".

ok dude

 

[Doomsday]

What was horrible about he game plan?

It was based on QB safety, rather than attacking the D.

Weeden was just fine with the plays vs. Washington and led us to 10 points on two drives.

We were not. Attacking. The. Defense Sunday. And it showed.

 

[Dodger12]

You're talking ONLY about that last drive, and not remembering the all-out spread we ran early in the 3rd quarter, which was working.

The last drive was the only time we scored an offensive TD, wasn't it? Or am I missing something. I don't remember Weeden tearing it up before then. It was putrid.

 

[Doomsday]

The only series he was "sharp" was the TD drive at the end of the game

The last drive was the only time we scored an offensive TD, wasn't it? Or am I missing something. I don't remember Weeden tearing it up before then. It was putrid.

Early to mid 3rd quarter, the drive started with the spread and was successful. Until two drops by Dez ended it.

 

[Dodger12]

What were they supposed to do? We got hosed by Orton. They tried to make a trade at the final cutdowns.

There were other options. I'm not going to say everyone on the list was in play but damn, Brandon fucking Weeden?

Quarterbacks

1. Michael Vick (Signed one-year, $5M deal with NYJ)
2. Mark Sanchez (Signed one-year, $2.25M deal with PHI)
3. Josh McCown (Signed two-year, $10M deal with TB)
4. Matt Cassel (Re-signed two-year, $10M deal with MIN)
5. Josh Freeman (Signed one-year deal with NYG)
6. Shaun Hill (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with STL)
7. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Signed two-year, $7.5M deal with HOU)
8. Jason Campbell (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with CIN)
9. Chad Henne (Re-signed two-year, $8M deal with JAX)
10. Tarvaris Jackson (Re-signed one-year, $1.25M deal with SEA)
11. Kevin Kolb
12. Brandon Weeden (Signed two-year, $1.53M deal with DAL)
13. Colt McCoy (Signed one-year, $795K deal with WAS)
14. Matt Flynn (Re-signed one-year deal with GB)
15. Kellen Clemens (Signed two-year, $3M deal with SD)
16. Luke McCown (Re-signed one-year, $920K deal with NO)
17. Derek Anderson (Re-signed two-year, $2.564M deal with CAR)
18. David Garrard
19. Dan Orlovsky (Signed one-year, $920K deal with DET)
20. Rex Grossman
21. Curtis Painter (Re-signed one-year, $795K deal with NYG)
22. Charlie Whitehurst (Signed two-year, $4M deal with TEN)

 

[dbair1967]

Early to mid 3rd quarter, the drive started with the spread and was successful. Until two drops by Dez ended it.

We had the ball three in the 3rd qtr. One ended in a 3 and out (first one). The 2nd drive ended with that horrendous interception despite Cole Beasley being wide open in middle of field. The third one ended in a punt.

Total number of Weeden completed passes to Cowboy players on those 3 drives where you claim we spread the field and were "successful", THREE. Yes, THREE. And one of those was for no gain.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[dbair1967]

There were other options. I'm not going to say everyone on the list was in play but damn, Brandon fucking Weeden?

Quarterbacks

1. Michael Vick (Signed one-year, $5M deal with NYJ)
2. Mark Sanchez (Signed one-year, $2.25M deal with PHI)
3. Josh McCown (Signed two-year, $10M deal with TB)
4. Matt Cassel (Re-signed two-year, $10M deal with MIN)
5. Josh Freeman (Signed one-year deal with NYG)
6. Shaun Hill (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with STL)
7. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Signed two-year, $7.5M deal with HOU)
8. Jason Campbell (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with CIN)
9. Chad Henne (Re-signed two-year, $8M deal with JAX)
10. Tarvaris Jackson (Re-signed one-year, $1.25M deal with SEA)
11. Kevin Kolb
12. Brandon Weeden (Signed two-year, $1.53M deal with DAL)
13. Colt McCoy (Signed one-year, $795K deal with WAS)
14. Matt Flynn (Re-signed one-year deal with GB)
15. Kellen Clemens (Signed two-year, $3M deal with SD)
16. Luke McCown (Re-signed one-year, $920K deal with NO)
17. Derek Anderson (Re-signed two-year, $2.564M deal with CAR)
18. David Garrard
19. Dan Orlovsky (Signed one-year, $920K deal with DET)
20. Rex Grossman
21. Curtis Painter (Re-signed one-year, $795K deal with NYG)
22. Charlie Whitehurst (Signed two-year, $4M deal with TEN)

When did they finally give up on Orton, and who on that list was still left.

Thanks

 

[Dodger12]

When did they finally give up on Orton, and who on that list was still left.

Thanks

They signed Weeden in March (when Orton was still technically on the team) and he was one of the early signings. Certainly, it's done at this point and we can't change what we did in March. But I'd have my scouting department look at who's out there. I'd take Tanney as opposed to Weeden. He's that bad.

 

[dbair1967]

They signed Weeden in March (when Orton was still technically on the team) and he was one of the early signings. Certainly, it's done at this point and we can't change what we did in March. But I'd have my scouting department look at who's out there. I'd take Tanney as opposed to Weeden. He's that bad.

They didn't sign Weeden to be the #2 QB in March. They signed him for an extended look-see, with the idea being he'd potentially be the #3 guy (behind Orton) this year and maybe replace him as the backup next year. They also needed extra arms for the offseason program (OTA's and throwing sessions) because Romo was still recovering from surgery and Orton was sending signals that he wouldn't show up.

 

[Dodger12]

They didn't sign Weeden to be the #2 QB in March. They signed him for an extended look-see, with the idea being he'd potentially be the #3 guy (behind Orton) this year and maybe replace him as the backup next year. They also needed extra arms for the offseason program (OTA's and throwing sessions) because Romo was still recovering from surgery and Orton was sending signals that he wouldn't show up.

They signed Weeden because they knew that Orton was waffling with the team and was threatening to retire. This was reported when they signed Weeden. Orton was not a lock to stay with the club at that point and Weeden was "insurance."

 

[dbair1967]

and as fyi, Orton was released on July 16th

 

[dbair1967]

They signed Weeden because they knew that Orton was waffling with the team and was threatening to retire. This was reported when they signed Weeden. Orton was not a lock to stay with the club at that point and Weeden was "insurance."

Right, and they thought all along that Orton would eventually come in. It wasn't until right before camp that they gave up on Orton

Weeden was never intended, or expected to be the #2 guy when they signed him.

 

[Dodger12]

Early to mid 3rd quarter, the drive started with the spread and was successful. Until two drops by Dez ended it.

According to Sturm:

After that, the Cowboys completed a few passes to make things cosmetically better, but at the moment of the Antonio Cromartie interception, Weeden had a day of 11 competions in 23 attempts for 104 yards, and 2 interceptions. That is a QB rating of 24.5 and a yards per attempt of 4.5. Neither would win him a job as a backup QB if that was his audition. It was not close to good enough.

That happened with 11 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Weeden was downright awful and I didn't see any spark in the 3rd quarter.