Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

[superpunk]

Is that right?

Or is someone being a self proclaimed agnostic, just another way of saying "I'm not sure."?

Showing more humility than an atheist? That's how I've always separated the two.

Being a theist/atheist(agnostic) is an active thing, it's a statement of "belief", not knowing. Theists don't know there is a god anymore than atheists do, they simply believe in a god. Agnostic/Atheists do not. If you're not sure, you don't believe. It's just a different label, there is no difference in actual practice.

I think agnostic is just a more comfortable label for believers because it allows them to think "This person just hasn't been convinced that god exists yet."

 

[peplaw06]

Not myself personally.

Didn't think so.

You mean scientists who write things with supporting documentation, tests which can be replicated by anyone in a lab, which have been reviewed by other scientists and re-tested and re-evaluated. Yeah somehow that seems way more reliable than a fiction written by fisherman cult members. Although if cult-member fiction is more your style maybe we can start fighting disease with the writings of Hubbard and the bible.

lol

Eye-witness testimony is more reliable than scientific evidence probably 99% of the time. Hell, science declared all those people dead in the articles I linked to a couple posts ago. Yet you act like science is infallible.

Right. Don't think about the impossible position it puts you in, just "God works in mysterious ways" and call it a day. Shut the brain off. Color me shocked. (And there was nothing defensive there just a parody of Elisha's test to the Baal prophets. Unless Elisha was defensive idk)

Don't think about the impossible position you are in by the fact that science hasn't proven the source of life. Think life exists? pffftt... that's the stuff of fairy tales and mythology.

 

[superpunk]

Faith makes people say really dumb shit. Eyewitness testimony is reliable? Son you just went full ******.

 

[peplaw06]

No idea how evidence works? It's cool. Shut the brain off. Just say they said some dumb shit. Call them a ******. It works... swearsies.

 

[peplaw06]

Eye-witness testimony is direct evidence. Scientific evidence is usually circumstantial.

Probably should read this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Yea books written over 40 years after the fact by unknown authors. Mark is suppose to be the most reliable and oldest yet it doesn’t even have an ending. It simply says Jesus body was missing and everyone was afraid. The End. Well, until they added a fake ending later on. This is reliable? Why do all the gospels have a different set of events? Here is a clue...they were ALL made up.

 

[peplaw06]

No matter how many times you say it's all made up, the historical evidence says otherwise.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

No matter how many times you say it's all made up, the historical evidence says otherwise.

Evidence also says Jesus was a myth.

 

[NoDak]

Evidence also says Jesus was a myth.

Does it really? Could you show us this evidence, please?

You've said a few times now that there was proof. I've asked to see some each time but you must have been too busy to provide it, and never answered back. We understand, amigo.

 

[peplaw06]

 

[skidadl]

One thing about the bible is that it requires you to actually study it before you are qualified to debate about it.

I don't mean reading your favorite commentary on it, I'm talking actually studying the bible alone.

Taking a few quotes or opinions from some other dude or group is completely biased and dishonest. Discovery is the only way that one qualifies to debate any topic in a respectable way.

If you didn't do that you are just talking crap rather than having an intelligent conversation that comes from experience. Having a passion about saying something is stupid is not the same thing as saying, "hey, I've delved into the depths of the bible and personally found that _________."

Simply saying the bible is stoopid cause my friends on the Internet say so is immature.

SP (or anyone), can you tell me what you have done, how you have studied and so forth? I'd like to get your take on some actual bible topics rather that the typical joe atheist responses that are boring and scripted. Do you guys have index cards with this stuff written on it or somesuch? I little honesty and integrity goes a long way.

 

[superpunk]

No idea how evidence works? It's cool. Shut the brain off. Just say they said some dumb shit. Call them a ******. It works... swearsies.

Bro. Eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and the one YOU mentioned - the account of Christ's resurrection - is one of the worst (or best) examples of that. None of the gospel writers can agree on what happened. Matthew is the only one - the ONLY one - who describes an earthquake. None can agree on how many women came to the tomb, how many people they saw when they got there or whether the stone was in place or rolled away when they arrived. That's just the tip of the iceberg on this one account. And this is supposed to somehow be evidence that Jesus rose from the dead? child please

 

[peplaw06]

Bro. Eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable

lol

Just keep diggin bro.

Prosecutors thrive on eye-witness testimony.

, and the one YOU mentioned - the account of Christ's resurrection - is one of the worst (or best) examples of that. None of the gospel writers can agree on what happened. Matthew is the only one - the ONLY one - who describes an earthquake. None can agree on how many women came to the tomb, how many people they saw when they got there or whether the stone was in place or rolled away when they arrived. That's just the tip of the iceberg on this one account. And this is supposed to somehow be evidence that Jesus rose from the dead? child please

You're talking about the four authors of the gospels, I'm talking about the witnesses who saw Jesus after the crucifixion. More than 500 of them.

And the minute details from the authors written years later mean little when they all agree that the tomb was (and still is) empty. You've lost the forest for the trees. The earthquake, how many people at the tomb, the placement of the stone, they really have nothing to do with the fact that they all agree the tomb was empty.

I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .

E. M. Blaiklock
Professor of Classics
Auckland University

 

[superpunk]

The earthquake, how many people at the tomb, the placement of the stone, they really have nothing to do with the fact that they all agree the tomb was empty.

Good call, counselor.

 

[peplaw06]

Good call, counselor.

I can see it now....

Eye-witness Number One: I saw the defendant shoot the deceased on the street.
Superpunk Brilliant Defense Attorney: How many other people were in the street?
EW1: Five.

Eye-witness Number Two: I saw the defendant shoot the deceased on the street.
SPBDA: How many other people were in the street?
EW2: Six.

SPBDA: Objection, your Honor! The eye-witnesses don't even know how many other people saw the shooting!
Court: Overruled.
SPBDA: Move the Court for mistrial!
Court: Overruled.

...........

SPBDA: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the eye-witnesses said they saw my client shoot the deceased. But they can't even agree how many other people saw it. It makes their entire testimony suspect. Reasonable doubt, right there. You should therefore acquit.

...........

Jury: We the jury, find the defendant guilty.

 

[superpunk]

Hell the guy who wrote Luke and Acts can't even agree with himself on when Jesus went to heaven. We're not talking about trivialities here no matter how much you want to pretend the discrepancies aren't big enough to get worked up over. Hell the accounts in the firstplace are mostly nothing more than hearsay as none of the writers were there when the events went down.

If you look at the gospels realistically you can see that these were cult-members with a vested interest in making sure their leader fulfilled prophecy. They knew the prophecies he needed to fulfill (all Jews did) and wrote accordingly. This isn't historical documentation it's religious fable.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Or how about when the disciples first saw Jesus. One says Jerusalem and another says Galilee. Two different towns.

You see, it’s in the details where lies are exposed, ask any investigator.

btw, Peplaw06 can you please tell me what happened to the ending in Mark?

 

[peplaw06]

It's like you guys got an atheism for dummies book and just gulped it up like it was the elixir of life.

One of the oldest surviving books in the world... translated into over a thousand languages from the original three languages... subject to the whims of humans over the past 2000 years, but still here...

and not just still here, but after 2000 years all you atheists can do to discount it is to point to some inconsistencies in the minutiae -- which like it or not, in the grand scheme, that's what these are. Boy, you guys got us good.

Hell you would think if you two knuckleheads know all of this, that the people who did all of your research for you would have been able to convince the world that the Bible is a hoax. Instead, the Bible has been printed over 6 billion times, and counting.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to continue this any more. Neither of you are interested in having a real conversation. You're more interested in insulting people and trying to make them feel stupid. Well, I got news for you. My faith has been tested much more than two randoms on an internet message board can accomplish.

I think this sums it up...

There exists no document from the ancient world, witnessed by so excellent a set of textual and historical testimonies . . . Skepticism regarding the historical credentials of Christianity is based upon an irrational bias.

Clark Pinnock
McMaster University

 

[peplaw06]

btw, Peplaw06 can you please tell me what happened to the ending in Mark?

I guess his laptop crashed in a lightning storm and he forgot to back up his hard drive.

 

[superpunk]

oh yes printing statistics that proves so much Hi I'm the talmud and hammarabi's code how are you?