Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

superpunk · Jun 20, 2012

If you don't first believe in fairies you will never see fairies.

Everlastingxxx · Jun 20, 2012

skidadl said:
As long as man tries to see God through worldly eyes he will continue to be frustrated. If you use logic to discover Him you probably will never find Him.

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. I Corinthians 2:14

What you are doing is demanding that God meet you on your terms, using things seen to prove Himself to you. Why should God come to you at the snap of your fingers? If you do not accept this, and if it makes you angry then just move along. As in every relationship, if you don't like what is being offered then just abandon the possibility of ever having this relationship. Writing pages upon pages makes you seem obsessive and little desperate.

Yes, I get it, this is America and you can talk about what you want to. Trust me, I am pretty glad that you are because it proves to me that you have a need for God in your life. If that's not it then what is it?

The scientific method is the most reliable way for us to understand and collect knowledge. You want me to use something that can’t be proven to prove something else that can’t be proven. Great logic.

BTW, i was a Christian. I believed it. So simply believing does not work either.

We are all in need of things. I do enjoy understanding the universe better and the dynamics of those who are rational in every area of their life yet are irrational with regards to their religious beliefs.

skidadl · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
The scientific method is the most reliable way for us to understand and collect knowledge. You want me to use something that can’t be proven to prove something else that can’t be proven. Great logic.

BTW, i was a Christian. I believed it. So simply believing does not work either.

We are all in need of things. I do enjoy understanding the universe better and the dynamics of those who are rational in every area of their life yet are irrational with regards to their religious beliefs.

That's like saying that Jenny Craig doesn't work because you stopped the program. Or people who say that AA is not effective program because of the high failure rate. Hey, guess what, not drinking is part of the program so anyone who says that stopped the program.

Don't blame it for not working since it does work for plenty of people. Since you are really into honesty then be honest. You don't don't believe, didn't like it or whatever the reason was. It wasn't for you and you have your personal reasons for that. Awesome, make it a personal decision and leave everyone else out of your failures. You quit so just own up to it. Sour grapes never makes a person look more right in their stance.

Sheik · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
That’s like a car salesman walking up to customers and asking them “why are you always wanting me to sell you something?” It’s kindof the main reason god hasn’t taken you to heaven yet, right? Preach the Kingdom of God? Create signs and miracles, heal the sick, raise the dead? The bible commands you to provide proof.

I get what you're saying, but it makes little sense to me for some reason.

If you don't believe, why are you looking for a reason to believe? Does that make you an atheist? Weak, strong or otherwise? Or are you undecided at this time?

Sheik · Jun 20, 2012

That obviously wouldn't be a question I would pose to someone who's be er been a believer.

Im asking you, only because you've said you were a believer at one point.

Everlastingxxx · Jun 20, 2012

Sheik said:
I get what you're saying, but it makes little sense to me for some reason.

If you don't believe, why are you looking for a reason to believe? Does that make you an atheist? Weak, strong or otherwise? Or are you undecided at this time?

Shouldn’t we all be looking for more knowledge? Many of the Christians here claim to know more than me, i just want to know what it is. I would classify myself as a weak Atheist. Some might say Agnostic/Atheist. I am firm in my beliefs but would always be open to new evidence. Hope that makes a little more sense.

Sheik · Jun 20, 2012

What made you believe in the first place? What caused you to ultimately reject it?

NoDak · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
Many of the Christians here claim to know more than me

I must have missed this. Who did that?

skidadl · Jun 20, 2012

NoDak said:
I must have missed this. Who did that?

I was wondering the same thing. I only know of one guy in this thread that has claimed to know a ton about this stuff and he's not a Christian.

Everlastingxxx · Jun 20, 2012

Sheik said:
What made you believe in the first place? What caused you to ultimately reject it?

I was young and gullible. Life experiences conflicted with what i had learned in the bible. My brain ultimately could not believe it. Much like you could not believe in Santa Clause if you tried.

NoDak · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
Much like you could not believe in Santa Clause if you tried.

Except there really was a St. Nicholas. Over time his story has been perverted into what is known as Santa Claus today, furthuring the commercial aspect of Christmas, away from it's true meaning. But, I get your point.

jeebus · Jun 20, 2012

NoDak said:
I must have missed this. Who did that?

me :unsure

peplaw06 · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
The scientific method is the most reliable way for us to understand and collect knowledge. You want me to use something that can’t be proven to prove something else that can’t be proven. Great logic.

BTW, i was a Christian. I believed it. So simply believing does not work either.

We are all in need of things. I do enjoy understanding the universe better and the dynamics of those who are rational in every area of their life yet are irrational with regards to their religious beliefs.

Science hasn't proven the source of life. Do you deny life exists?

The problem with science is it can only take you as far as the human brain can take you. It's usefulness ends where we humans cease to comprehend.

superpunk · Jun 20, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Science hasn't proven the source of life. Do you deny life exists?

The problem with science is it can only take you as far as the human brain can take you. It's usefulness ends where we humans cease to comprehend.

Wouldn't anything that exists outside our ability to comprehend be useless then?

Everlastingxxx · Jun 20, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Science hasn't proven the source of life. Do you deny life exists?

The problem with science is it can only take you as far as the human brain can take you. It's usefulness ends where we humans cease to comprehend.

It’s the best we have right now. You keep rehashing the argument from ignorance angle.

peplaw06 · Jun 20, 2012

superpunk said:
Wouldn't anything that exists outside our ability to comprehend be useless then?

I don't see why that would be the case.

Everlastingxxx said:
It’s the best we have right now. You keep rehashing the argument from ignorance angle.

You're arguing from ignorance as well... Neither of us know.

superpunk · Jun 20, 2012

peplaw06 said:
I don't see why that would be the case.

If something exists outside our ability to comprehend it how could it ever be useful to us?

Everlastingxxx · Jun 20, 2012

peplaw06 said:
You're arguing from ignorance as well... Neither of us know.

So what is your belief? I’m confused.

peplaw06 · Jun 20, 2012

superpunk said:
If something exists outside our ability to comprehend it how could it ever be useful to us?

Isn't science supposed to advance? There are thousands of things that man knows now that we couldn't comprehend a thousand years ago.

peplaw06 · Jun 20, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
So what is your belief? I’m confused.

That there is a God. How can you be confused about that?

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