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My theory is that they grade Goff significantly higher, found out that is who the Rams are taking, and then decided to acquire more picks in efforts to rebuild the franchise quicker.
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My theory is that they grade Goff significantly higher, found out that is who the Rams are taking, and then decided to acquire more picks in efforts to rebuild the franchise quicker.
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NY Post:
ESPN draft expert Todd McShay said he believes the Jets should stay away from Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch with their first-round pick, the 20th overall.
“I definitely think it would be a reach,” McShay said Tuesday on a conference call. “I think there’s a big drop-off after [Caron] Wentz and [Jared] Goff at the quarterback position.”
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“With Paxton Lynch, he has all the physical ability in the world, he’s just coming from an offense that is very simplistic,” McShay said. “He’s got to learn how to get his team in and out of a huddle and how to make line checks and pre-snap audibles and get them out of bad plays into good plays. He hasn’t had to do any of those things.
“Teams have gotten him on the (chalk) board and he has not performed very well. So, there’s concern. He’s a long-term developmental prospect, a lot like a Brock Osweiler, but I think he’s less polished than Osweiler when he was coming out of Arizona State.”
ESPN draft expert Todd McShay said he believes the Jets should stay away from Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch with their first-round pick, the 20th overall.
“I definitely think it would be a reach,” McShay said Tuesday on a conference call. “I think there’s a big drop-off after [Caron] Wentz and [Jared] Goff at the quarterback position.”
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“With Paxton Lynch, he has all the physical ability in the world, he’s just coming from an offense that is very simplistic,” McShay said. “He’s got to learn how to get his team in and out of a huddle and how to make line checks and pre-snap audibles and get them out of bad plays into good plays. He hasn’t had to do any of those things.
“Teams have gotten him on the (chalk) board and he has not performed very well. So, there’s concern. He’s a long-term developmental prospect, a lot like a Brock Osweiler, but I think he’s less polished than Osweiler when he was coming out of Arizona State.”
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I bet that market is wide open. You and TE can start LARU. I'll come give you shit on Seahawks weeks.
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fucking traitor!
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I think I would have stayed put and taken one too, but in their defense they have spent a number of premium picks on QB's with absolutely nothing to show for it.
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Holy Shit
It's time for Jerry to get to work
The Panthers just rescinded their franchise tag for Josh Norman citing that they realized that they would not be able to come to a long term multi year deal with his agent!
Wow
That just turned the Eagles #2 pick into yesterday's news
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It's time for Jerry to get to work
The Panthers just rescinded their franchise tag for Josh Norman citing that they realized that they would not be able to come to a long term multi year deal with his agent!
Wow
That just turned the Eagles #2 pick into yesterday's news
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So it went from Titans and Browns to Rams and Eagles....
Two AFC teams holding top picks to two NFC, one a divisional rival.
Gonna be an interesting draft for Doug Pederson. Interesting that they'd make this trade for a QB who most consider grades lower than Mariotta, the QB who graded higher and demonstrated excellent ability in the then Eagles coaches offense.
Two AFC teams holding top picks to two NFC, one a divisional rival.
Gonna be an interesting draft for Doug Pederson. Interesting that they'd make this trade for a QB who most consider grades lower than Mariotta, the QB who graded higher and demonstrated excellent ability in the then Eagles coaches offense.
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According to reports Genius Kelly tried to trade basically half their team and draft picks last yr to get Mariotta. The Titans ultimately said no and wanted him for themselves.
According to reports your mothers a whore.
Eagles offered two #1s, a 2, and a 3. Said Tennessee could pick any current Eagles QB (Foles, Sanchez, or the other guy), and any player on defense.
Titans countered wanting one more thing (don't remember what) and Eagles said no.
Eagles offered two #1s, a 2, and a 3. Said Tennessee could pick any current Eagles QB (Foles, Sanchez, or the other guy), and any player on defense.
Titans countered wanting one more thing (don't remember what) and Eagles said no.
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I can confirm this.
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You can find videos on Youtube of some of Lynch's full-game snaps, and I gotta tell you; Lynch looked pretty pedestrian against Auburn. Which could probably field a 5-11 team in the NFL.
He's definitely a pick and sit kind of QB.
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He did, but the weather was pretty bad that day and their whole team was basically overwhelmed. It also didn't help him that his receivers dropped probably 5 or 6 pretty easy ones.
Go look at the Ole Miss game.
Do agree though, if you draft him he needs a season or two of learning and reps before he's ready.
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This is neither a list of the best players in the draft overall, nor guys I consider the best at each position. They're all good, but they fit into a couple of separate categories. They are players who I've either:
•Often rated higher than other evaluators within the draft media or team evaluators I discuss prospects with, or ...
•Have been guys I have had higher in close debates within position groups, namely at quarterback
In the end, they'll probably just be considered "guys Kiper really likes." That's a pretty nebulous designation, but in this business, you hear it often. So here they are, with a guess regarding where they end up in the draft next week.
Offense
Quarterback: With the debate swirling around who is the top QB in the draft, I'll stay with Jared Goff, my top QB in this class going back to last year's draft. He's the most gifted passer available, and while NFL success at this position is always going to be largely defined by where a guy lands, in a vacuum Goff would be my choice over Carson Wentz. Projection: Should be the No. 1 pick, and can't fall past No. 2
Running back: Kenneth Dixon out of Louisiana Tech is a player I've highlighted going back to last season. He's not particularly big or fast compared to other top backs, but he's decisive when the hole is there and often generates yards after contact when it isn't. Ezekiel Elliott and Derrick Henry -- and perhaps a couple of others -- will go before him, but Dixon is really good.Projection: Late second to third round
Wide receiver: Josh Doctson doesn't wow in testing and lacks elite size, but he's dynamic with his ability to adjust to the ball in the air and is underrated after the catch. Sterling Shepard is a master craftsman at the position, a fabulous route runner who can make plays down the field and through contact despite a smaller frame. Projections: Safely first round for Doctson, and possible late first or early second for Shepard
Tight end: Don't roll your eyes at the Ivy League success. Ben Braunecker(Harvard) has speed (4.73) and explosiveness that would be above average in any Power 5 program. Projection: Early Day 3 (fourth round)
Offensive tackle: Jack Conklin was ranked as my No. 12 overall prospect for 2016 at this time last year, and he hasn't moved. He's a consistent pass-blocker and a great finisher in the running game. The former walk-on will be a good one. Projection: Top half of Round 1
Guard: He's not the top prospect at guard, but as a pure fit for the position (not transitioning from tackle) Christian Westerman from Arizona State is a great prospect. He offers a great combination of pure power and the ability to move and block in space. Projection: Round 2
Center: It wouldn't bother me if Ryan Kelly went somewhere in the middle of Round 1. Sure, he can block -- but Kelly is also the quarterback snapper who can make calls at the line, limit blitz effectiveness and help an O-line in ways that extend beyond the tape. Projection: Late first round
Defense
Defensive end: In a loaded class, I'll place a bet on Jihad Ward (Illinois) to be a better pro than he was a college player. The one-time receiver is still figuring things out and has explosiveness and size that will make him a versatile defensive lineman. Projection: Early Round 2
Defensive tackle: He's nobody's sleeper, but I've had A'Shawn Robinson at the top of the defensive tackle rankings, a high compliment in a seriously loaded class at the position. Vernon Butler is well-known at this point, but he was a player I really liked in 2015, and he continued that into this season. In that time he has gone from a mid-rounder to a name I hear discussed as a late-first possibility. Projections: Middle of Round 1 for Robinson, late first to mid-second for Butler
Linebacker: Another guy where the tape tells the story. Kentrell Brothers(Missouri) is just always around the ball. He has 20/15 vision on the football field, and seems to anticipate where the play is headed better than others around him. Another ILB who will go on Day 2 but have a Day 1 impact. Projection: Round 2-3
Edge: Kamalei Correa (Boise State) is a burner off the edge who went under the radar for far too long. The draft process has everyone caught up. Victor Ochi (Stony Brook) is among my favorite sleepers in the draft class. Projections: Correa can slide into Round 1 late, while Ochi is more likely an early Day 3 guy
Cornerback: Other cornerbacks have surpassed him in draft rankings, but throw out any of last year's tape on Kendall Fuller (Virginia Tech). When he's 100 percent, he can challenge the best cornerbacks in this draft class. Projection: Round 2
Safety: Sean Davis (Maryland) won't draw raves for coverage, but he has a fearlessness to his game, and will make big hits and provide a fear factor in the middle of the field. (Yes, it still exists.) Su'a Cravens (USC) is listed here and at OLB, but I see him as the good kind of tweener, the guy with size to compete near the line of scrimmage, but underrated anticipation in coverage and sneaky good hands. Projections: As high as Round 3 for Davis; late first to second round for Cravens
•Often rated higher than other evaluators within the draft media or team evaluators I discuss prospects with, or ...
•Have been guys I have had higher in close debates within position groups, namely at quarterback
In the end, they'll probably just be considered "guys Kiper really likes." That's a pretty nebulous designation, but in this business, you hear it often. So here they are, with a guess regarding where they end up in the draft next week.
Offense
Quarterback: With the debate swirling around who is the top QB in the draft, I'll stay with Jared Goff, my top QB in this class going back to last year's draft. He's the most gifted passer available, and while NFL success at this position is always going to be largely defined by where a guy lands, in a vacuum Goff would be my choice over Carson Wentz. Projection: Should be the No. 1 pick, and can't fall past No. 2
Running back: Kenneth Dixon out of Louisiana Tech is a player I've highlighted going back to last season. He's not particularly big or fast compared to other top backs, but he's decisive when the hole is there and often generates yards after contact when it isn't. Ezekiel Elliott and Derrick Henry -- and perhaps a couple of others -- will go before him, but Dixon is really good.Projection: Late second to third round
Wide receiver: Josh Doctson doesn't wow in testing and lacks elite size, but he's dynamic with his ability to adjust to the ball in the air and is underrated after the catch. Sterling Shepard is a master craftsman at the position, a fabulous route runner who can make plays down the field and through contact despite a smaller frame. Projections: Safely first round for Doctson, and possible late first or early second for Shepard
Tight end: Don't roll your eyes at the Ivy League success. Ben Braunecker(Harvard) has speed (4.73) and explosiveness that would be above average in any Power 5 program. Projection: Early Day 3 (fourth round)
Offensive tackle: Jack Conklin was ranked as my No. 12 overall prospect for 2016 at this time last year, and he hasn't moved. He's a consistent pass-blocker and a great finisher in the running game. The former walk-on will be a good one. Projection: Top half of Round 1
Guard: He's not the top prospect at guard, but as a pure fit for the position (not transitioning from tackle) Christian Westerman from Arizona State is a great prospect. He offers a great combination of pure power and the ability to move and block in space. Projection: Round 2
Center: It wouldn't bother me if Ryan Kelly went somewhere in the middle of Round 1. Sure, he can block -- but Kelly is also the quarterback snapper who can make calls at the line, limit blitz effectiveness and help an O-line in ways that extend beyond the tape. Projection: Late first round
Defense
Defensive end: In a loaded class, I'll place a bet on Jihad Ward (Illinois) to be a better pro than he was a college player. The one-time receiver is still figuring things out and has explosiveness and size that will make him a versatile defensive lineman. Projection: Early Round 2
Defensive tackle: He's nobody's sleeper, but I've had A'Shawn Robinson at the top of the defensive tackle rankings, a high compliment in a seriously loaded class at the position. Vernon Butler is well-known at this point, but he was a player I really liked in 2015, and he continued that into this season. In that time he has gone from a mid-rounder to a name I hear discussed as a late-first possibility. Projections: Middle of Round 1 for Robinson, late first to mid-second for Butler
Linebacker: Another guy where the tape tells the story. Kentrell Brothers(Missouri) is just always around the ball. He has 20/15 vision on the football field, and seems to anticipate where the play is headed better than others around him. Another ILB who will go on Day 2 but have a Day 1 impact. Projection: Round 2-3
Edge: Kamalei Correa (Boise State) is a burner off the edge who went under the radar for far too long. The draft process has everyone caught up. Victor Ochi (Stony Brook) is among my favorite sleepers in the draft class. Projections: Correa can slide into Round 1 late, while Ochi is more likely an early Day 3 guy
Cornerback: Other cornerbacks have surpassed him in draft rankings, but throw out any of last year's tape on Kendall Fuller (Virginia Tech). When he's 100 percent, he can challenge the best cornerbacks in this draft class. Projection: Round 2
Safety: Sean Davis (Maryland) won't draw raves for coverage, but he has a fearlessness to his game, and will make big hits and provide a fear factor in the middle of the field. (Yes, it still exists.) Su'a Cravens (USC) is listed here and at OLB, but I see him as the good kind of tweener, the guy with size to compete near the line of scrimmage, but underrated anticipation in coverage and sneaky good hands. Projections: As high as Round 3 for Davis; late first to second round for Cravens