2016 NFL Draft Thread...

[boozeman]

cleveland can be relied upon to pick the wrong QB. There is no greater constant over the last 30 years in the NFL

Well, they just signed Griffin. Dummies.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Today it seems that a lot of teams develop their QB by playing him. Learning/teaching on the fly. Seems like it would be difficult to develop a QB behind a starter now.

How much different? Wasn't an issue with Aaron Rodgers.

 

[ZeroClub]

How much different? Wasn't an issue with Aaron Rodgers.

With the new CBA in 2011 came a shorter offseason program, stricter guidelines on contact in practice, and the elimination of two-a-days in training camp.

 

[dbair1967]

Speaking of Garrett and young QBs, did you guys hear the audio of Garrett basically lamenting the fact that it's soo hard to develop young QBs now because you don't have enough time to work with them?

Yet somehow other teams seem to do it.

I think there's some truth to this though. The CBA greatly limits how much offseason practice time you can have now, and it wasn't all that way. It doesn't just impact this though. Many other areas of the game suffer IMO because of lack of practice/live practice & tackling etc etc

Doesn't mean every QB will be a failure because of it, it just makes it more challenging I think.

 

[MrB]

I think there's some truth to this though. The CBA greatly limits how much offseason practice time you can have now, and it wasn't all that way. It doesn't just impact this though. Many other areas of the game suffer IMO because of lack of practice/live practice & tackling etc etc

Doesn't mean every QB will be a failure because of it, it just makes it more challenging I think.

I think that's a main cause for so many serious lower body injuries early in the season too. Their bodies are not acclimated to the amount of punishment they are taking early in the season. In the past by the time the regular season started their bodies were already use to getting beat up.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I think there's some truth to this though

Yes, but the point is it's true for every team. You still have to get it done.

 

[dbair1967]

The narrative that Wentz and Goff are running even as the top two quarterbacks available in the 2016 NFL Draft is beginning to give way to a perceived edge for Wentz, the former North Dakota State quarterback who conducted his pro-day workout Thursday for NFL coaches and scouts. First, there was NFL Media analyst Charley Casserly, who polled 15 NFL executives about the two quarterbacks and found a majority of them favored Wentz. And Mayock is seeing things much the same.

"I've watched every game that he was in this year, and I'm more convinced than ever that he's the top quarterback in this draft," Mayock said on NFL HQ. " ... This kid controls the line of scrimmage. He's under center, he's in (shotgun), he controls all the pass protections, and he can make every throw."

 

[dbair1967]

2016 NFL Draft: Carson Wentz crushes pro day with Browns watching


By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
March 24, 2016 1:10 pm ET

With NFL eyes focused on Fargo for North Dakota State's pro day on Thursday, including the Cleveland Browns, Carson Wentz didn't disappoint.

In the Fargodome with his former receivers, Wentz went through a 65-throw script, completing 63 passes with one drop and one overthrow. Similar to Jared Goff at his pro day, NFL quarterback Ryan Lindley helped design the workout.

And also similar to Goff's pro day, Browns' offensive assistant coach Pep Hamilton had Wentz make several additional throws, using a water bottle to wet the ball at the snap. His first pass with the water-soaked ball bounced to the receiver, but Wentz rebounded well and got into a rhythm.

Wentz's strengths as a passer were on full display at the workout, showing off a strong arm and the mobility to make throws on the move. He has a NFL-style skill-set and delivers a very catchable ball with timing and touch. Based on film study, the main concerns for Wentz are his internal clock and ability to work through progressions, but those questions won't be answered in a pro day setting.
Carson Wentz is sharp in his final audition before NFL teams. (USATSI)
Despite all 32 teams being credentialed for the pro day, only 18 were in attendance due to snowstorms in the area. Browns' head coach Hue Jackson was the only head coach in attendance.

The Browns announced the signing of quarterback Robert Griffin III on Thursday, but that won't alter their thinking with the No. 2 overall pick. If there is a quarterback in this draft, presumably Goff or Wentz, that Jackson and the Browns' brain trust believe can be a long-term starter, he will be the pick second overall.

Nothing transpired at the pro day that NFL teams didn't already know about Wentz and his talents, but it was another setting for him to show off his talents just like he did at the Senior Bowl and Combine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder at the quarterback position, but he is the favorite to be the first quarterback drafted for many around the league.

 

[MrB]

2016 NFL Draft: Carson Wentz crushes pro day with Browns watching


By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
March 24, 2016 1:10 pm ET

With NFL eyes focused on Fargo for North Dakota State's pro day on Thursday, including the Cleveland Browns, Carson Wentz didn't disappoint.

In the Fargodome with his former receivers, Wentz went through a 65-throw script, completing 63 passes with one drop and one overthrow. Similar to Jared Goff at his pro day, NFL quarterback Ryan Lindley helped design the workout.

And also similar to Goff's pro day, Browns' offensive assistant coach Pep Hamilton had Wentz make several additional throws, using a water bottle to wet the ball at the snap. His first pass with the water-soaked ball bounced to the receiver, but Wentz rebounded well and got into a rhythm.

Wentz's strengths as a passer were on full display at the workout, showing off a strong arm and the mobility to make throws on the move. He has a NFL-style skill-set and delivers a very catchable ball with timing and touch. Based on film study, the main concerns for Wentz are his internal clock and ability to work through progressions, but those questions won't be answered in a pro day setting.
Carson Wentz is sharp in his final audition before NFL teams. (USATSI)
Despite all 32 teams being credentialed for the pro day, only 18 were in attendance due to snowstorms in the area. Browns' head coach Hue Jackson was the only head coach in attendance.

The Browns announced the signing of quarterback Robert Griffin III on Thursday, but that won't alter their thinking with the No. 2 overall pick. If there is a quarterback in this draft, presumably Goff or Wentz, that Jackson and the Browns' brain trust believe can be a long-term starter, he will be the pick second overall.

Nothing transpired at the pro day that NFL teams didn't already know about Wentz and his talents, but it was another setting for him to show off his talents just like he did at the Senior Bowl and Combine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder at the quarterback position, but he is the favorite to be the first quarterback drafted for many around the league.

He's still my choice for the 4th pick.

 

[dbair1967]

Carson Wentz may not have faced the best competition at the FCS’ North Dakota State during his collegiate career, but he certainly faced significant pressure on Thursday in front of NFL scouts and media members picking apart his every move in anticipation of the 2016 draft.
Wentz was the main attraction at North Dakota State’s pro day on Thursday and reportedly looked impressive throughout his performance. In fact, Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network and NFL.com gave the signal-caller a glowing review, via College Football 24/7:

.@MoveTheSticks grades Wentz's pro-day throwing session: "That's an A if not an A+. "
— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB)
Unfortunately for Wentz, not every team had the opportunity to see him earn that “A if not an A+” in person. Gil Brandt of NFL.com shared the details regarding an uncooperative mother nature before he raved about Wentz's performance:

Because of snow storms only 18 teams at Wentz's pro day. Only 1 HC here -- Hue Jackson who was delayed in Minneapolis. 30 teams credentialed
— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt)
One of the best pro days I've ever witnessed. Wentz reminds me of Joe Flacco. He had 2 55-yard passes that were as pretty as I've seen.
— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt)
Peter Schrager of Fox Sports echoed similar sentiments and urged fans not to draw any conclusions about the low attendance:

As reported last night, snow impacted travel for many coaches, scouts, and GMs at Wentz Pro Day. Don't read into low attendance. @NFLonFOX
— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags)

 

[dbair1967]

He's still my choice for the 4th pick.

Mine too, but I don't think he is going to be there.

 

[MrB]

Mine too, but I don't think he is going to be there.

Nope, I think he'll definitely be gone by 4.

 

[dbair1967]

Benjamin Allbright ‎‎@AllbrightNFL

#Browns have been zeroing in on Wentz for awhile, due diligence done elsewhere, but they're going to take him.

Benjamin Allbright ‎‎@AllbrightNFL

RG3 signing for #Browns won't affect draft plans either way.

 

[dbair1967]

NFL Network
✔ ‎‎@nflnetwork

- Luck/Newton athleticism
- Rivers competitiveness
- Cutler arm strength

Carson Wentz drawing some impressive comparisons. #NDSUProDay

12:16 PM - 24 Mar 2016

 

[MrB]

Yea signing RGIII shouldn't prevent them from taking Wentz. I feel bad for Wentz though. If the Browns do take him they will find a way to ruin him and he'll be out of the NFL before his 1st contract is up.

 

[dbair1967]

put dbair on suicide watch

NFL Draft Rumors: Eagles trading up for Carson Wentz? | NJ.com

With the 2nd pick of the 2016 NFL Draft, Philadelphia selects

Unless they plan on trading away a bunch of picks and/or players this yr and probably a few future high picks, I don't see how they can do that.

Going from 8-2 on the value chart is worth 1200 pts. They don't have a 2nd rd pick. (which only would have been worth about 420-430 pts)

 

[bbgun]

why do you torture yourself by posting glowing reports about Wentz? he ain't making it to #4. you're like a kid who wants something really nice for Christmas but you have poor parents.

 

[ZeroClub]

 

[dbair1967]

why do you torture yourself by posting glowing reports about Wentz? he ain't making it to #4. you're like a kid who wants something really nice for Christmas but you have poor parents.

portrait of BB

 

[dbair1967]

Cowboys Pre-draft Visitors per 3/23/2016
CBS RankNamePOSCollegeProj. RdStatus
3Joey BosaDEOhio State1Official Visit
10Vernon HargreavesCBFlorida1Official Visit
11Laquon TreadwellWROle Miss1Official Visit
13Shaq LawsonDEClemson1Official Visit
14Sheldon RankinsDTLouisville1Official Visit
38Derrick HenryRBOhio State1-2Official Visit
549Ryan BrownDEMississippi State- -Official Visit

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CBS RankNamePOSCollegeProj. RdStatus
5Jared GoffQBCalifornia1Private Workout
7Carson WentzQBN.D. State1Private Workout
33Paxton LynchQBMemphis1-2Private Workout
39Connor CookQBMichigan State1-2Private Workout
106Dak PrescottQBMississippi State3-4Private Workout
184Justin SimmonsDBBoston College5-6Private Workout
207Yannick NgakoueDEMaryland6Private Workout
250Luke RhodesLBWilliam & Mary7Private Workout
271Terrance SmithWRFlorida State7-FAPrivate Workout
306Alonzo RussellWRToledo7-FAPrivate Workout
- -Robert JohnsonWRMississippi State- -Private Workout...