2013 Minicamps/OTA's Thread

[superpunk]

They worked out te Dante Rosario today.

something something Jerruh, Garrett, 5-TE offense

 

[Midswat]

I really liked Donte Rosario on Clerks 2 when they were having the ass to mouth convo


Ha. Larryous.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

They had talent though. Most of the guys we have trotted out there the past couple yrs don't. That's the difference.

Dallas has one potential franchise OL in Tyron Smith. We don't know what Frederick is yet, but hopefully he will be a high quality starter early on. Livings is an average player. Bernadeau is a below average player. Costa looked improved last yr but didn't play enough for us to really know. Prior to last yr he was pretty bad. Free was good in 09 and 10 but dreadful in 11 and 12.

I don't know how you or anyone in their right mind could say these guys are comparable (favorably) to a team like New Orleans.

Coaching can only do so much. Jimmy Johnson was as good a coach as there was when he was here, and even he went 1-15 and 7-9 for two years. Why do you think that was?

Did you say all those guys sucked ass going into last year? I won't go all zkill and check the archives.

And how many teams have more than one "franchise OL"? Hardly any.

The whole point is, some people immediately default to the OL when explaining why our offense has been so average. Does it need to improve? Sure. But you can't just blame all the mistakes and miscues on the O-line. And guess what, no team has five first rounders in their line. Every team in this capped league has holes, sometimes big holes. The good coaches work around it.

But I know, having Pro Bowl type talent at literally every position except on the line isn't enough. When Garrett gets Pro Bowlers at every position on offense, then we can judge him.

And the Jimmy years comparison... Please. You know that 1-15 team was the worse collection of scrubs in history.

But if you think Jimmy or any other truly great coach would've been 8-8 the last two years, well, delusion is a beautiful thing, I guess.

 

[dbair1967]

But I know, having Pro Bowl type talent at literally every position except on the line isn't enough. When Garrett gets Pro Bowlers at every position on offense, then we can judge him.

Eh. I know you hate the guy, but no coach is getting much offensively from a team with an OL as mediocre as the one we have trotted out the last 2 years or so.

And the Jimmy years comparison... Please. You know that 1-15 team was the worse collection of scrubs in history.

Yep it was. And despite having a sensational coach, they were a doormat.

But if you think Jimmy or any other truly great coach would've been 8-8 the last two years, well, delusion is a beautiful thing, I guess.

I think Jimmy would get more out of this team than Garrett without question. That said, a mediocre at best OL and a team that's pretty much been bitten by a rash of injuries wouldn't be dramatically better under anybody. They've also had a pretty lame defense for a couple or three seasons now. I doubt Jimmy would have ever hired a stooge like Ryan in the first place though.

 

[junk]

Garrett may be a better HC than OC. I actually thought he kept the team playing hard at the end of the last season with a rash of injuries which is actually quite an accomplishment in Dallas these days.

He's average, at best, as an OC. No creativity and week in and week out, he had to scrap whatever "game plan" he came up with and let Romo play street ball to get back in the game.

 

[dbair1967]

He's average, at best, as an OC. No creativity and week in and week out, he had to scrap whatever "game plan" he came up with and let Romo play street ball to get back in the game.

Wouldn't some of that have to do with getting behind so badly?

 

[Theebs]

I think you do have to factor in that we had a new coach on the line teaching new techniques and then they had serious injuries.

I know that wont slow the Garrett sucks and I am going to say it everyday because I have to crowd.....but it was part of the problem.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Wouldn't some of that have to do with getting behind so badly?

How were we behind that badly? We weren't.

We might have been behind, but it was because our offense sucked. Did you forget that it took them 17 weeks to score more than 10 points in the first half?

And that rash of injuries you mentioned was mostly on defense, not offense. Of course that wasn't any excuse for Rob.

 

[Omegasupreme]

Wouldn't some of that have to do with getting behind so badly?

If the offense had very few weapons, a mediocre QB, and/or just mediocre yards and points, I would look at things similar to you that there's a quality-based problem on the offense, starting with the OLine. But the first quarter had so much experimentation to expose the gameplan of the defense, that the result was very little attacking and even less scoring. But the fact is that Dallas has two freakish athletes at WR with Miles and Dez that they have never had in a pair before (Ismail and Galloway maybe...but only in sprinting); Dallas also has the best TE in the NFL measured by his receptions and yards year after year; the QB had almost 5000 yards, a WR with 1300 yards, a TE with 1000 yards, another oft injured WR with 950 yards, and a running back who was averaging 66.3 yards per game when he played (good for 1000 yards plus if he played in all 16 games).
It's not mediocre talent and its not like the players are getting beaten so they can't produce. There is this convenient amnesia that despite various Offensive linemen combinations and some Pro Bowl players, Jason's playcalling has had red zone anemia since 2008, and the Jason just does not know how to manufacture an attacking drive except the design of midrange pass plays.

Last year's team was fully capable of scoring early and often but the offense was not managed well. The evidence is that during the Pittsburgh, Raven, Eagle and Giant games there was a mix of run plays, short pass, long pass, misdirection, and obvious strategy starting in the first quarter. By the way, Costa did not play well in the Raven game, the play calling allowed him to have the element of surprise and the advantage of having the defense unsure about what was going to happen next...until the fourth quarter.

There is too much evidence from time of possession and yards to a QB who threw 648 times to say that this is really Oline problem. A terrible Oline would not give anyone that amount of attempts, nor yards, nor opportunities, nor Witten's record for catches in a game or season.

If a team can amass yards in the 2nd and 4th quarter, it should be able to do so in the first and third. There is no urgency to score early and I believe that the OC is just the laziest and most self-preserving coach in the NFL. The only time last year when I saw him actually coach and outthink the other team was the Giant and Pittsburgh games. There was no talk about the OLine in either game because the talent of the team was used to attack the weaknesses of those two teams.

This offense has very consistent results under Jason. Great quantities of yards, diminishing running game, and terrible yards to touchdowns ratio.

 

[ZeroClub]

Yes, OL mainly had mediocre talent and was thrown into further chaos by rash of injuries. It was a mess.

 

[w8lifter]

I'm just wondering if he's had to go by Edawn his whole life because of a typo on his birth certificate.

Somewhere there might be a baby momma who wanted to name her little bucket of joy Edawg.

Thats FUGGED Up!! I have to admit that made me also.

 

[Theebs]

Mickey said on the blitz last night that he was told Matt Johnson has been everything they thought and has been all over the field.

If true that is good to hear.

 

[Midswat]

If true that's great to hear.

Coming from Mickey though, I'll have to curb my enthsiasm a little.

Any work on Arkin? I'm still holding out hope that he could at least be serviceable depth.

 

[Midswat]

Also, been reading where Wilbur has been doing a good job at his new position. That'd be nice.

 

[Theebs]

If true that's great to hear.

Coming from Mickey though, I'll have to curb my enthsiasm a little.

Any work on Arkin? I'm still holding out hope that he could at least be serviceable depth.

I get that many do not like Mickey, but he always has good info. I have always enjoyed Mickey. I know everyone here hates him...doesn't matter to me.

That is why talking cowboys is so great during the season Mickey and Bryan broaddus relay good info of what is going on.

 

[Midswat]

Mickey is like Bahgdad Bob. He says what Jerry tells him to.

 

[Theebs]

Mickey is like Bahgdad Bob. He says what Jerry tells him to.

I really don't think that is the case. He takes a a negative angle on a lot of things on talking cowboys.

He has no interest and no patience with the forum, blog pft opinions and I think that rubs fans the wrong way. Brad sham is the exact same way, no interest or time for those elements and clearly sees the destructive element of it.

 

[boozeman]

Shed some light on how Mickey isn't the Jones Minister of Information Theebs.

The last and only time I recall him being anything less than a flaming homer was back when Carter was around.

 

[Theebs]

Shed some light on how Mickey isn't the Jones Minister of Information Theebs.

The last and only time I recall him being anything less than a flaming homer was back when Carter was around.

I am not going to do that because I dont care what you think of him. And no matter what I say you will just tell me Jerry sucks or whatever as you always do.

I enjoy reading and listening to Mickey just like I absolutely love listening to brad Sham, babe laufenberg and kristie scales.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

If true that's great to hear.

Coming from Mickey though, I'll have to curb my enthsiasm a little.

Any work on Arkin? I'm still holding out hope that he could at least be serviceable depth.

Skimming him these days but broaddus said to write him off, so...