2012 Training Camp Thread...

[bbgun]

I guess you could argue that the 1990s Cowboys were so talented that they would have won those three championships even if they had trained exclusively at Thousand Oaks or Oxnard, but Jimmy obviously saw some value to changing locales.

 

[dbair1967]

yes and that is why I said in this day and age with the limited guys in camp, salary cap and less draft picks you can not just beat the hell out of your starters, especially in 109 degree heat.

Daryl johnston has said constantly that the worst he ever felt was coming out of camp in wichita falls and he always makes a point to say the team was exhausted because of what they had to go through.

I dont think dealing with the heat will make them any tougher anyway. they are not going to ever have to play in the heat so it doesnt matter. When we played in texas stadium I always thought it was important that the team was in excellent condition so they could take advantage of visiting teams in september......

not anymore..

Other than the 93 game against Washington where we got smoked (more due to mental state of the team over the Emmitt situation) its hard to agree with what Johnston said. They won their season openers in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994 and 1995, most of them rather easily.

There was no question we were one of the most physical, better prepared (physically in general) and mentally tougher than just about everyone else, and I think those camps were one of the main reasons why.

 

[Midswat]

OXNARD, Calif. – Here are some thoughts from the first full-padded practice.

•Running backs did a really nice job during the blitz pick-up period on Wednesday. It might be an underrated part of his game, but DeMarco Murray has a real feel for how to stay square, keep a nice base and deliver a blow. Was able to handle DeMarcus Ware off the edge to allow the ball to get outside. Lance Dunbar and Ed Wesley had a couple of nice reps as well. Running back coach Skip Peete has these guys working hard during practice in this area.


•Offensive tackle Pat McQuistan has had a nice camp so far. Did a good job with his pass sets in the one-on-one and has been able to get some movement off the edge in the running game. Playing like a guy that the squad needs to keep around.


•The only thing that can slow guard Ronald Leary down from getting more opportunities is the mental side of the game. Had a shot in the team period where he was trying to help wide with McQuistan but didn’t see the twist from outside linebacker Baraka Atkins coming the other way. Leary hasn’t been bad overall, it’s just that he needs to be more aware.


•There might be a competition between Bruce Carter and Dan Connor for the Mike linebacker spot but there were plenty of reps where both were on the field at the same time. Safety Barry Church has also seen some reps at inside linebacker in the dime but needs to develop more of a feel on the blitz on how to get home on the rush.


•There has been a lot of conversation about plays where Morris Claiborne has been beaten deep on routes. Raymond Radway got him on Wednesday and Dez Bryant across the field on Tuesday. But in both situations, there would have been sacks on the play. On the Radway play, Anthony Spencer was able to get inside of Doug Free right off the snap and would have hit Romo from the front side and the ball would have never got off. Have to think about these things when corners are carrying these receivers down the field.

 

[dbair1967]

You cant. there are no two ways about it.

nobody can or does run those types of camps.

the giants run a camp just like we do....not much hitting and they have won two of the previous 5 superbowls......

meanwhile the eagles are always applauded for running such hard hitting camps and all the media loves it, but they dont ever win shit and they usually have the biggest injury list coming out of camp, mostly lineman.

I know teams have won both ways. hell Walsh's Niner teams never tackled (or very little) during camp and they were good.

But in the case of THIS team, I think one Jimmy-esque camp would do wonders for them.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

It wasn't a blast furnace when Jimmy coached them down there? Hmmm. I don't see how the air conditioned Alamodome or the cool ocean breezes off Oxnard will make them a physically/mentally tough team, but we shall see.

I'm with you, but all of Landry's success training in Thousand Oaks kind of kills that argument.

I do laugh at all the talk about how impossible the heat is, though. Houston and New Orleans and Tampa and I think Miami all train at home, they just do it early in the morning when it isn't 100*. They do just fine. Thousands of high school and college kids do train in the heat of the day, so if they can do it, even better and more mature athletes could, too.

Saw on NFLN where Reid has the Eagles practicing in the afternoon just so it will be hot for them, so some coaches do think there's value in making the conditions uncomfortable.

 

[dbair1967]

Looks like they are going to sign two of the guards they worked out today. Reportedly Holland looked to be in great shape and had an excellent workout.

 

[peplaw06]

They'd be training at St. Edwards if they wanted tough practices.

108 right now in Wichita Falls. I wouldn't even want them training here, cause that would mean I'd have to get out in the heat and watch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Looks like they are going to sign two of the guards they worked out today. Reportedly Holland looked to be in great shape and had an excellent workout.

This may actually the first instance where we sign a veteran to only cut him once the season begins.

 

[Theebs]

I'm with you, but all of Landry's success training in Thousand Oaks kind of kills that argument.

I do laugh at all the talk about how impossible the heat is, though. Houston and New Orleans and Tampa and I think Miami all train at home, they just do it early in the morning when it isn't 100*. They do just fine. Thousands of high school and college kids do train in the heat of the day, so if they can do it, even better and more mature athletes could, too.

Saw on NFLN where Reid has the Eagles practicing in the afternoon just so it will be hot for them, so some coaches do think there's value in making the conditions uncomfortable.

nobody said it was impossible but why add another detrimental element?

and good for reid, let him beat his team up like he does every year and have all the old school media love him for it. then when his teams is all banged up like it always is he can play backups.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

I didn't even know we had Baraka Atkins . Blade swipe FTW

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Is Ronald Leary retarded or hurt or something or is he a solid penciling-in of a not shitty guard?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Cmd told you church can play ILB ya fuckface


If I was a coach I'd hold practices at midnight because thatd be badass

 

[UVAwahoos]

Thanks for logging in, silverbear.

 

[Midswat]

If I were a coach I'd wake everyone up real early then have them go on a long run and end up tired and exhausted on a civil ground battlefield and then I'd preach to them about equality and brotherhood and then later I'd look on apporivingly as white Sean Lee and kind of black DeMarcus Ware pounded each other on the shoulderpads yelling STRONGSIDE WEAKSIDE while the entire team rallied around them jumping in the background.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Thanks for not signing deron Williams like you planned to

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

nobody said it was impossible but why add another detrimental element?

Well the old military/sports adage is that the harder training is, the easier the actual event is. Up to a point of course.

and good for reid, let him beat his team up like he does every year and have all the old school media love him for it. then when his teams is all banged up like it always is he can play backups.

I think that's more about hitting than the anything to do with the heat. They're actually tackling to the ground, which almost no one does anymore.

I guess my point is that the heat is really a non-issue. It's a mental thing more than anything else. Remember how for years and years (decades?) people insisted that the Rangers could never win because the heat wore them down, it was impossible to pitch, etc? Turns out that was bunk.

But I'm not saying they're doing it the wrong way. Like I was saying, Landry's success all those years kind of proves that.

I'm just glad they're on grass now. Now that really does make a difference. Having a month of camp on astroturf everyday was really stupid.

 

[Midswat]

Then we'd win state.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

Lil Wyte (Beasley) not practicing. Not hurt.

Probably got cut. Stay tuned

 

[Midswat]

Probably going to cut him so they can stash him on the PS and not display him to other teams during pre season games.

 

[Midswat]

Meanwhile, Teddy Williams will still be a Cowboy.