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And Arizona made the super bowl at 9-7 and barely missed winning it all too
My point exactly about the quality of play diminishing
Everyone knows it's a parity driven league.
It doesn't matter what your record is, as long as you're playing well when the tournament starts.
That is why I was so amped heading into the 2009 post season. We seemed prime to make a run.
And the whole parity thing is why it's so embarrassing that the Cowboys can't do anything, year after year after year.
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Well yeah we all know the league is parity driven to drive tv ratings and make money. That is not new.
Just think, the league has made it easier in effect and we still can't win.
And the giants were the first team to beat a defending super bowl champ by 17 points in the playoffs.
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It's just luck and a mediocre league why they won the SB in '07 and got the NFCC game this year?
There is an issue with them why they underachieve during much of the regular season. But it's obvious they have the players on the team in place to be successful. They have a dominant pass rush and a balanced offense with a power running game.
But since the league is so mediocre and anyone can just luck their way deep into the playoffs, then why has Dallas only won one wildcard game in 15 years? How come we can't just have that lucky run late in the year?
Hint: You have to have the talent in place to be able to be able to turn it on late.
But I know Jerry and the moron homers will act like we're just so close to doing it ourselves. Just like during the three Campo years I kept hearing about how the Rams went from 5-11 to the SB in one year so we can too. Yeah, how'd that work out?
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And how again does this relate to the Cowboys and our chances? Is year 16 finally going to be our turn to take advantage of this mediocre league?
The Giants are built right.
They're strong on the Oline, and Dline.
I've always been in the minority with the thinking that having strong lines was key to winning football. In fact, I even coined a phrase... "The game is won in the trenches." You're all welcome to use that.
I wish the Cowboys would adopt this philosophy.
They're strong on the Oline, and Dline.
I've always been in the minority with the thinking that having strong lines was key to winning football. In fact, I even coined a phrase... "The game is won in the trenches." You're all welcome to use that.
I wish the Cowboys would adopt this philosophy.
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The Giants OL isnt exactly awe inpiring.
Looking at their recent draft history thoguh, they have loaded up on DL's, CB's and WR's early in the draft. Of the OL they have drafted early, only Chris Snee has amounted to anything. The other guy they drafted early is a bust.
They play a 4-3 defense though, and it makes sense to load up on DL's when you play the 4-3 because they are critical to the defenses success. Teams that play the 3-4 tend to load up on LB's, becuase thats the integral part of the defense for them.
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by the way- I think Gronkoswki is a great TE, arguably the best overall in football today
but when you are as big as he is and allowed to run right into opposing DB's at the GL and never get called for offensive PI, that isnt exactly a reflection of "greatness"
I say this because ESPN was going on and on about how overwhelming he was, and they were showing the highlights while talking and one of them was the play inside the 5 where he just plowed through the DB, bounced him a good 5 yds or so away and scored a TD
but when you are as big as he is and allowed to run right into opposing DB's at the GL and never get called for offensive PI, that isnt exactly a reflection of "greatness"
I say this because ESPN was going on and on about how overwhelming he was, and they were showing the highlights while talking and one of them was the play inside the 5 where he just plowed through the DB, bounced him a good 5 yds or so away and scored a TD
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Eli was sacked once yesterday. Yeah, that OL sucks.
Bottomline, the Giants are able to protect Eli and they make clutch plays. On defense they get after the passer and generate havoc throughout the entire game.
Dallas? We neglected the OL much of the last decade until last year. And the few times we took an OL in the 2nd or 3rd years ago we whiffed. On defense, Ware is the only legit pass rushers we've had in the last decade.
It all starts up front on both sides of the ball. Also helps to have a QB, which we just lucked into a decent one who was an undrafted FA.
What it boils down to is our front office is one of the worst in the league and has been since Jerry ran Jimmy out of town in '94.
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The Packers havent pressured anybody this yr have they?
Cant argue about that right now, they are definitely doing both of those things at this time.
It wasnt exactly neglected. Andre Gurode was a probowl player multiple times. Leonard Davis was outstanding at RG for 2-3 seasons. Colombo was a quality starter until agen and injury did him in. Flozelle Adams made a few probowls. I agree if you say we didnt draft well overall there, but it doesnt mean it was "neglected".
Greg Ellis was also a good pass rusher as fyi. So is Jay Ratliff
Who knows how he would have turned out if he had ended up somewhere else. Part of his success would have to be linked to the guys around him and the people who have coached him.
If the ultimate judgement of this is winning championships, nobody can argue otherwise. But if you are one that believes the #1 job of any GM or front office is to assemble a talented team, I wouldnt agree. We have, and have had some quality talent here since Parcells took over and the drafts got better.
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I still think the Giants suck. Packers played their worst game at the worst time. How many dropped balls? That’s what makes the NFL so great. One bad game and your season is over. Packers learned that yesterday. Give credit to Eli and the Giants but let’s not go over board here.
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My sentiments exactly.
The Giants suck? lol
The Giants just demolished an 11-5 team, and 15-1 team in back to back weeks.
Even when the Giants played the Packers a few weeks ago, it was a last team with the ball wins style game. They played them to the bone.
Give credit where credit is due. I hate to admit it, but the Giants are one of the best teams in the NFC.
Everyone thought they were dead in the water when they had a four game losing streak. Nevermind that it was a murders row of games vs San Fran, New Orleans, Philadelphia, & Green Bay.
But they've overcome that, and all the injuries, and they're in the NFC Title Game.
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The best teams don’t always win in the playoffs. I thought Greenbay and the Saints were the best in the NFC (maybe even NFL). Saints almost overcame 5 turnovers on the road? Right now i think it’s a tossup with the final 4. I don’t think any of the teams left are Super Bowl Champ worthy. Very odd season.
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what?
the pats have won like 10 straight or whatever and have tom brady and bill belichick.
the giants have won at dallas without key starters, whipped the jets, dallas and shut out atlanta....got some players back and now have whipped the 15-1 packers at lambeau in a playoff game.
what in the hell else does either team have to prove to be considered championship quality?
i thought the saints would still be alive and beat the giants because it would have been in the dome where they are exceptional. But I am not suprised by the giants at all. they have the staff and all the parts. Throw in the fact they are playing teams everyone tells them are better than they are and it is a perfect recipe for them. Tom Coughlin is exceptional at this exact thing.
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I think there have been better Patriot teams that haven’t won the Super Bowl. Their defense is one of the worst in the NFL.
The Giants got their butts kicked a number of times this season. They were a missed Romo/Austin pass away from being just another team. Sorry, i am not impressed with any of the teams left. Niners are going to win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith? Really...i mean really?
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It wasn't just vs. the Packers that Eli had time to pass and made clutch plays as a result
Flozell? He was drafted in the late 90's. Gurode in 2002. Yes, we signed a couple of decent stopgap OL but that was it. We whiffed badly in the early 2000's on some in the draft and then went about 5-7 years just totally neglecting it other than a couple of vet fa's.
Really? You're actually going back to the late '90's for Ellis? And he was a top 10 pick but never dominated. Ratliff was a good find in the 7th round. But in the last decade we have Ware and a NT in Ratliff. Great. And now it looks like Rat is waning. Now what?
In the meantime the Giants just reload on the DL. Strahan retires, so what, they come back with Osi and Kiwi and no JPP, etc.
Dallas on the other hand lands Ware, but then we get Spears, Spencer, Bobbeh, Jason Williams, Hatcher and several other non-playmakers. Just like in the mid to late 90's whiffing on Carver, Pittman, Ulafale, Ekuban, etc while only landing Ellis. And while Ellis was a solid contributor he was never a dominant force or game-changer.
The job of the GM is to assemble talent and hire a quality HC so that talent can succeed. Jerry fails miserably at doing both.
And yes, the talent did get better from the Jerry/Lacewell/Campo days. Hard not to improve over that.
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Everlastingxxx isn't impressed. Noted.
Four teams far superior to the Cowboys march towards the Super Bowl, regardless.
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