2011 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

[Midswat]

No, that wasn't my point.

That's the impression I got, with your snarky "Oh the December collapse cliche." Came accross you were pointing to those 5 games to absolve his reputation.

You came up with 5 games that you consider collapses in big games.

You asked why I feel the way I do about Romo. I answered the question.

I came with a number of games that weren't in December/post-season, and you didn't like it.

It's not that I didn't like it. I've just acknowledged time and time again he puts up mostly fantastic regular season. It's December and on that he has issues.

So I came up with games I considered to be BIG WINS in December/post-season.

Which, coincidentally, were his only BIG WINS in December and post-season.

I could have gone through and showed all the wins he has in December and January, but you would have just said they were against lousy competition.

Right. I don't care if he beats a horrid team just playing out the string in December.

I care about big games, against tough opponents.

Go figure, you showed every single loss the team has had in December/January, regardless of Romo's play in those games,

He played in all those games. Mind you, he was pulled at half time vs Washington at the end of 2007, but we were getting worked at that point with him in the game as well.

whether he was "routinely collapsing" or not. Nevermind that those really don't have anything to do with the discussion at hand.

The conversation has evolved, because you keep shifting your argument.


I honestly don't see how this conversation is going to end cleanly. I've told you how I feel, why I feel that way, and what it would take for me to change my opinion.

The 2009 season - specifically games in New Orleans and the back to back games vs Philly would've gone a long way in changing my perception, had he not followed them up with the absolute horrid (3 fumble, 1 int) game in Minnesota.

And he's had a few brainfart games this year as well. Just as he's had some heroic performances (9'ers game, specifically).

I truly hope we're able to go to New York for the game 16 and pull of a win (if neccessary). That would impress me greatly. And then do some damage in the playoffs.

But if he's doing more of the same, multiple turnover performances and overall just putting his team in bad positions... well, then my perception will not change in the slightest.


And I have to be honest, based on his history... I'd say our season more than likely ends on a Romo multiple turnover game.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Romo is the man.

 

[Midswat]

Romo is the man.

Agreed.

He just becomes less of the man when the stakes are high.

 

[peplaw06]

You asked why I feel the way I do about Romo. I answered the question.

OK, fair enough.
I'm just trying to get you to see that you're basing your opinion of Romo off of 5 games of his career. At least that's what you initially listed. The December/post-season games where he "collapsed."

It's not that I didn't like it. I've just acknowledged time and time again he puts up mostly fantastic regular season.

See you acknowledge that he is "fantastic" the majority of the time?

It's December and on that he has issues.

Which I've shown you that he has had just as many big games in December and after as he has had collapses.

Which, coincidentally, were his only BIG WINS in December and post-season.

You only posted his BIG LOSSES. It's called point, counterpoint.

He played in all those games. Mind you, he was pulled at half time vs Washington at the end of 2007, but we were getting worked at that point with him in the game as well.

But you can't say he "collapsed" in all of those games. Most of those games were a complete failure of the team. For instance, was it Romo's poor play that caused the loss to Baltimore in the last game at Texas Stadium? Or was it Romo's play in the 4th quarter that kept that game in reach?

The conversation has evolved, because you keep shifting your argument.

This is your point, not mine. I'm just debating the topics you bring forward.

The 2009 season - specifically games in New Orleans and the back to back games vs Philly would've gone a long way in changing my perception, had he not followed them up with the absolute horrid (3 fumble, 1 int) game in Minnesota.

Why does Romo get saddled with a "collapse" in that game? He looked like Neo trying to dodge bullets out there because our OL didn't get off the bus. Romo isn't a serial fumbler. OK, he had one pick, but it was when we were already down 17-3. It wasn't like we were close and he blew it.

But if he's doing more of the same, multiple turnover performances and overall just putting his team in bad positions... well, then my perception will not change in the slightest.

And I have to be honest, based on his history... I'd say our season more than likely ends on a Romo multiple turnover game.

It's really like your stance is a more nuanced version of "I won't believe it until I see it."

 

[Midswat]

I'm really done with this pep.

I've stated my thoughts on Romo. I hope I'm proven wrong.

In the meantime, we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Midswat]

Also, peplaw... I flat out enjoyed this debate and I respect you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Agreed.

He just becomes less of the man when the stakes are high.

Does he have re-attachable balls or something?

 

[Midswat]

Does he have re-attachable balls or something?

No. It's just that pressure breaks pipes.

There are some people who rise to the occassion. Don't get rattled. Handle stress and pressure seamlessly.

If I were Hostile, I would tell you a tale about a guy I knew who was very good at something, but how when faced with pressure, said guy (a friend, of course) would struggle. And I would tell you about another guy who maybe wasn't as good at the same thing, but was not rattled by pressure. I'd close my story with a witty one liner, in hopes that you would simply chuckle at my one liner, digest my analogy, and we could move on. But I'm not, so I won't.

 

[Jon88]

No. It's just that pressure breaks pipes.

There are some people who rise to the occassion. Don't get rattled. Handle stress and pressure seamlessly.

If I were Hostile, I would tell you a tale about a guy I knew who was very good at something, but how when faced with pressure, said guy (a friend, of course) would struggle. And I would tell you about another guy who maybe wasn't as good at the same thing, but was not rattled by pressure. I'd close my story with a witty one liner, in hopes that you would simply chuckle at my one liner, digest my analogy, and we could move on. But I'm not, so I won't.

You have to use their first names if you want to be like Hostile.

 

[peplaw06]

Also, peplaw... I flat out enjoyed this debate and I respect you.

We shall see I guess. Mad props.

 

[Jon88]

I respect this thread.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Romo has been a victim of bad coaching since 2007. Sure he has made errors that get blown out of proportion, but many of his peers who are considered to be better have made the exact same errors, and have had coaching compensation to help overcome them. Garrett has shown time and time again that he cannot make situational or in-game adjustments to save his life. I think it was midswat questioning in another thread why we continued to do 5 step drops when quick drops would have been effective against the pass rush yesterday. These are all part of the issue of why Garrett sucks balls, and does nothing to help his players win games if it deviates from the original gameplan.

Romo has been covering coaching deficiencies for 4 years and counting now. Garrett is at best a sub-0.500 NFL coach.

 

[Jon88]

Cris Carter is a fucking joke

 

[superpunk]

Midswat got owned by peplaw and Romo in this thread.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I respect this thread.

lol

 

[Midswat]

Midswat got owned by peplaw and Romo in this thread.

 

[peplaw06]

Urban Dictionary FTW.

Kobe Bryant (without Shaq) eh?

 

[Midswat]

No one chattered about that incredible game last night?

 

[Cr122]

2011 Week 12 Miami @ Dallas Chatter Thread

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Dallas 23

Miami 14

This game will be a lot closer than some think. Another must win game for us.

 

[Midswat]

Cowboys 35
Miami 7