XM: Phil Simms: Romo will win a SB

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

We really need to get away from all the stupid labels. "Romo Haters" "Romo Apoligists".

The reality is, some people criticize Romo for his flaws.. and they arn't wrong.

Some back him for all the good things he does for the franchise.. and they arn't wrong either.

Im sure alot of these guys have flip flopped their ideas of Romo a bunch of times based on what they think will get them to standout as an analyst the most. Either way, there are clearly two sides to Romo and recognizing his flaws shouldn't make anyone a "hater" anymore than someone who recognizes all the good he brings to the table should be an "apoligist".

This is about the first and only sensible post you've ever made.

 

[Midswat]

Romo very well win a Super Bowl. He's got the natural talent to do so, and the supporting cast.

I just don't have confidence in his ability to play smart football in hostile enviroments for multiple games in a row.


My confidence would increase if we had a first round bye and hosted in the divisional round (or better yet - homefield advantage). But if we go the wild card route and have to go on the road four weeks in a row, it's not going to happen. But that's a daunting task for any team. Only two have won the SB via that path, if memory serves.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

This is about the first and only sensible post you've ever made.

lol

its really not and we agreed on plenty of things before you all got your panties in a bunch over a few comments on Newman not being as great as some believe.. but glad we agree.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

That's no worse then people saying there is no way he'll win one, either. Speaking in absolutes on a subject like this is retarded. Anything is possible. I'm sure people were saying the same thing about Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer. But they found a good situation and won one. Making a definitive statement either way is retarded. It's possible he wins one. It's possible he doesn't.

I will say that I've seen a hell of a lot more people claim with certainty that he won't win then I've seen people say he will. Most say that he CAN. Big difference.

It sounds like an argument from ignorance fallacy. You say Romo will win a Super Bowl in his career, but because you do not know for sure = therefore you are not wrong. Well, you could very well be wrong, you just don’t know it yet. Somebody is wrong. Romo will either win a Super Bowl or he won’t, there is no middle ground. Like Romo said in his press conference “pick which side of the fence you are on”.

Of course it is possible. Not sure who would even argue that, i am not. Pretty obvious as long as he can throw the ball he has a chance to win one.

 

[NoDak]

It sounds like an argument from ignorance fallacy. You say Romo will win a Super Bowl in his career, but because you do not know for sure = therefore you are not wrong. Well, you could very well be wrong, you just don’t know it yet. Somebody is wrong. Romo will either win a Super Bowl or he won’t, there is no middle ground. Like Romo said in his press conference “pick which side of the fence you are on”.

Of course it is possible. Not sure who would even argue that, i am not. Pretty obvious as long as he can throw the ball he has a chance to win one.

That all sounds pretty good. Except I have never said he WILL win a superbowl.

Apparently you missed the part where I said making a definitive statement either way is retarded.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

That all sounds pretty good. Except I have never said he WILL win a superbowl.

Apparently you missed the part where I said making a definitive statement either way is retarded.

Yea well i was quoting the Newman guy and his remarks. You responded to mine with your own twist.

I say pick a side. Everyone is always worried about being wrong...“oh i didn’t commit to anything”...no shit captain obvious, lol

 

[peplaw06]

It sounds like an argument from ignorance fallacy. You say Romo will win a Super Bowl in his career, but because you do not know for sure = therefore you are not wrong. Well, you could very well be wrong, you just don’t know it yet. Somebody is wrong. Romo will either win a Super Bowl or he won’t, there is no middle ground. Like Romo said in his press conference “pick which side of the fence you are on”.

Of course it is possible. Not sure who would even argue that, i am not. Pretty obvious as long as he can throw the ball he has a chance to win one.

There's a big difference between being wrong about something that you predict, versus being wrong about something that is an absolute fact right now. But ultimately, I don't see why anyone cares if you think Romo CAN win a Super Bowl and you ultimately end up being wrong. Are people so worried about being perceived as wrong that they can no longer be fans? And people who think Romo CANNOT win a Super Bowl hope they are wrong? It's all kinds of bassackwards to me.

Why not think that Romo CAN win a Super Bowl and hope that you are right?

 

[Freddie]

Simms is mistaken. What would he know about quarterbacks. Romo is terrible. I've read it right here on this very forum.

 

[Theebs]

Simms is mistaken. What would he know about quarterbacks. Romo is terrible. I've read it right here on this very forum.

Stop making it all about u again...ur so polarizing n stuff.

 

[NoDak]

Yea well i was quoting the Newman guy and his remarks. You responded to mine with your own twist.

I say pick a side. Everyone is always worried about being wrong...“oh i didn’t commit to anything”...no shit captain obvious, lol

You said it was rational to say he's not going to win. I disagreed. It's rational to say the odds are against him, but nobody knows for a fact. I just commented that to make a definitive statement is stupid. Nobody knows. Sure, odds are that he isn't. But those are the odds for every QB that comes into the league. There have been some very good QB's that haven't won one. Some that haven't even been in one.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

There's a big difference between being wrong about something that you predict, versus being wrong about something that is an absolute fact right now. But ultimately, I don't see why anyone cares if you think Romo CAN win a Super Bowl and you ultimately end up being wrong. Are people so worried about being perceived as wrong that they can no longer be fans? And people who think Romo CANNOT win a Super Bowl hope they are wrong? It's all kinds of bassackwards to me.

Why not think that Romo CAN win a Super Bowl and hope that you are right?

Interesting points. Reminds me of an old minister that said when asked about how long he would live “better to shoot high and miss, then shoot low and be right.”

You said it was rational to say he's not going to win. I disagreed. It's rational to say the odds are against him, but nobody knows for a fact. I just commented that to make a definitive statement is stupid. Nobody knows. Sure, odds are that he isn't. But those are the odds for every QB that comes into the league. There have been some very good QB's that haven't won one. Some that haven't even been in one.

It would be interesting to see what the odds are for a NFL QB winning a Super Bowl in his career. I am not calling out Romo, just QBs in general. The homer in me thinks he will bounce back and won’t throw another INT this season and will be kissing the Lombardi Trophy. The logical side says different.

 

[peplaw06]

Interesting points. Reminds me of an old minister that said when asked about how long he would live “better to shoot high and miss, then shoot low and be right.”

Makes sense. None of us know when we're going to die. Still most people think it's "logical" to try to live healthy, eat right, exercise, to stay as healthy as possible.

It would be interesting to see what the odds are for a NFL QB winning a Super Bowl in his career. I am not calling out Romo, just QBs in general. The homer in me thinks he will bounce back and won’t throw another INT this season and will be kissing the Lombardi Trophy. The logical side says different.

It's only "logical" because the odds have to be astronomical. There are only what, 30 SB winning QBs in the history of the NFL?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yea well i was quoting the Newman guy and his remarks. You responded to mine with your own twist.

I say pick a side. Everyone is always worried about being wrong...“oh i didn’t commit to anything”...no shit captain obvious, lol

You still don't seem to get the point bro. No one is right or wrong by saying they either think he can win one or think he won't. If you said to me right now "I think Romo can still win a SB with the Cowboys..and here's why..", you wouldn't be wrong if you gave some kind of rational idea as to why.

Same way you could say to me right now "I don't think at this point Romo will ever will a SB with us.. and here's why" and you wouldn't be wrong either.

Like most of us have been saying, there is no definitive answer either way yet.. so its all a matter of opinion and there are reasonable arguments to be made for both sides of the coin.

Now if i were a betting man, i would agree with you that the chance of him winning one at this point are far less than the chances of him not winning one, but that doesn't change the fact that either outcome could still happen and no one knows how it will turn out, so therefore thinking either way and pointing out the factors that are in place to help either outcome come to be isn't wrong.

As i said before, the only ones who are wrong on this issue are the ones calling out one side or the other as stupid and throwing out lables that if you think Romo can still get the job done with us you're an "aplogist" and if you think he probably won't at this point in his career you're a "hater". That's the only stupidity i've seen in the entire thread so far.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Just to finish up.. if some people want others to pick a side just so they can rub it in their faces later if they turn out to be wrong, that will be supreme ignorance and stupidity as well, because no side will be "right" in the end.

If you say to me now "I think Romo can still win a super bowl with us because, say, he's still got a solid core of a team around him with alot of weapons on offense, he's still a very good QB if he stops making poor decisions in crunch time, our defense is playing very well, and we've got a good coaching staff set in place right now to lead us to the top." That's fair.

If someone else says to me "I don't think Romo, at this point in his career, can win a super bowl for us because the odds are just too far stacked against him, he tends to turn the ball over in the most critical situations, and i don't know that he'll have many more oppertunities with the core of this team starting to age." That's fair also.

Now, say it ends up Romo does win a super bowl with us. That doesn't make the people who thought he couldn't do it at this point wrong. Its not like the people who thought he could still do it, KNEW he would do it. They didn't have any preexisting knowledge that it would get done, so they are no more right than the people who thought he couldn't do it. Neither side knew, just took their best guesses based on the information they had in front of them. So if it turns out like this or the opposite it would be extremely idiotic for either side to bash the other side or brag about being "right".. even though i know that's what will happen from some.

 

[Midswat]

You still don't seem to get the point bro. No one is right or wrong by saying they either think he can win one or think he won't. If you said to me right now "I think Romo can still win a SB with the Cowboys..and here's why..", you wouldn't be wrong if you gave some kind of rational idea as to why.

Same way you could say to me right now "I don't think at this point Romo will ever will a SB with us.. and here's why" and you wouldn't be wrong either.

Like most of us have been saying, there is no definitive answer either way yet.. so its all a matter of opinion and there are reasonable arguments to be made for both sides of the coin.

Now if i were a betting man, i would agree with you that the chance of him winning one at this point are far less than the chances of him not winning one, but that doesn't change the fact that either outcome could still happen and no one knows how it will turn out, so therefore thinking either way and pointing out the factors that are in place to help either outcome come to be isn't wrong.

As i said before, the only ones who are wrong on this issue are the ones calling out one side or the other as stupid and throwing out lables that if you think Romo can still get the job done with us you're an "aplogist" and if you think he probably won't at this point in his career you're a "hater". That's the only stupidity i've seen in the entire thread so far.

Just to finish up.. if some people want others to pick a side just so they can rub it in their faces later if they turn out to be wrong, that will be supreme ignorance and stupidity as well, because no side will be "right" in the end.

If you say to me now "I think Romo can still win a super bowl with us because, say, he's still got a solid core of a team around him with alot of weapons on offense, he's still a very good QB if he stops making poor decisions in crunch time, our defense is playing very well, and we've got a good coaching staff set in place right now to lead us to the top." That's fair.

If someone else says to me "I don't think Romo, at this point in his career, can win a super bowl for us because the odds are just too far stacked against him, he tends to turn the ball over in the most critical situations, and i don't know that he'll have many more oppertunities with the core of this team starting to age." That's fair also.

Now, say it ends up Romo does win a super bowl with us. That doesn't make the people who thought he couldn't do it at this point wrong. Its not like the people who thought he could still do it, KNEW he would do it. They didn't have any preexisting knowledge that it would get done, so they are no more right than the people who thought he couldn't do it. Neither side knew, just took their best guesses based on the information they had in front of them. So if it turns out like this or the opposite it would be extremely idiotic for either side to bash the other side or brag about being "right".. even though i know that's what will happen from some.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

lol lol lol

One of my favorite moments ever from that show.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

You still don't seem to get the point bro. No one is right or wrong by saying they either think he can win one or think he won't. If you said to me right now "I think Romo can still win a SB with the Cowboys..and here's why..", you wouldn't be wrong if you gave some kind of rational idea as to why.

Same way you could say to me right now "I don't think at this point Romo will ever will a SB with us.. and here's why" and you wouldn't be wrong either.

Like most of us have been saying, there is no definitive answer either way yet.. so its all a matter of opinion and there are reasonable arguments to be made for both sides of the coin.

Now if i were a betting man, i would agree with you that the chance of him winning one at this point are far less than the chances of him not winning one, but that doesn't change the fact that either outcome could still happen and no one knows how it will turn out, so therefore thinking either way and pointing out the factors that are in place to help either outcome come to be isn't wrong.

As i said before, the only ones who are wrong on this issue are the ones calling out one side or the other as stupid and throwing out lables that if you think Romo can still get the job done with us you're an "aplogist" and if you think he probably won't at this point in his career you're a "hater". That's the only stupidity i've seen in the entire thread so far.

I think you are playing word games, brah. Being right includes opinions and judgments. You don’t need to know the future to form an opinion. Your opinion can be right or wrong based on the final conclusions. When Emmitt Smith predicted the Cowboys would win 6 games a few seasons ago but Dallas ended up winning over 10 games and a playoff berth. Smith was wrong in his opinion. The idea that every opinion is correct because it has yet to be proven is a complete fallacy.

Let me ask you this. Will Newman have an interception this weekend? What if i said “yes” and you said “no”. Well as of today, who is wrong and who is right? We don’t know the answer to that. To say you are not wrong in that opinion...well you don’t know that. If you are not wrong, then you must be right? Again, how do you know that?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think you are playing word games, brah. Being right includes opinions and judgments. You don’t need to know the future to form an opinion. Your opinion can be right or wrong based on the final conclusions. When Emmitt Smith predicted the Cowboys would win 6 games a few seasons ago but Dallas ended up winning over 10 games and a playoff berth. Smith was wrong in his opinion. The idea that every opinion is correct because it has yet to be proven is a complete fallacy.

Let me ask you this. Will Newman have an interception this weekend? What if i said “yes” and you said “no”. Well as of today, who is wrong and who is right? We don’t know the answer to that. To say you are not wrong in that opinion...well you don’t know that. If you are not wrong, then you must be right? Again, how do you know that?

I never said every opinion was the right one, but when you're dealing with something that isn't definite, you can't be wrong in how you feel about a particular issue.

Since we're asking questions.. if someone told you that they feel that Tony could still win a super bowl with us because we have a solid team around him and he's still a good QB with a solid coaching staff around him.. are you saying that person is flat out wrong?

You couldn't possibly say that, because we don't know the outcome and whether you make your guess one way or the other.. its still a guess based on available information. Whatever side ends up being correct, its not like they knew it would happen. They made a reasonable guess.. same as the other side.. and luckily thier outcome is the one that occured. Neither side will be able to claim they "knew" it and "knew" the other side was wrong all along. That's just retarded.

 

[Midswat]

Not going anywhere for a while?

~unwraps a Snickers~

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think you are playing word games, brah. Being right includes opinions and judgments. You don’t need to know the future to form an opinion. Your opinion can be right or wrong based on the final conclusions. When Emmitt Smith predicted the Cowboys would win 6 games a few seasons ago but Dallas ended up winning over 10 games and a playoff berth. Smith was wrong in his opinion. The idea that every opinion is correct because it has yet to be proven is a complete fallacy.

Let me ask you this. Will Newman have an interception this weekend? What if i said “yes” and you said “no”. Well as of today, who is wrong and who is right? We don’t know the answer to that. To say you are not wrong in that opinion...well you don’t know that. If you are not wrong, then you must be right? Again, how do you know that?

Basically the only disagreement we seem to have here is, as you said, a word game between "will" or "can". I'd bet no matter what word most people use, when they are talking about this subject, they are talking about what Romo can possibly do.