World War III ??? Maybe

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Doomsday said:
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When the wall fell and people declared the Cold War over saying the US had won, I remember thinking there should be a hell of a lot more "we's" in that declaration

Yes the US won the cold war

but so did the Russians

and the rest of the world.

There were countless Russians who gave their lives going against their own government who helped make it possible. The US and the rest of the world should have focused less on spiking the ball and instead worked to fill the power vacuum with peace loving, free speech and free market supporting Russians who could have brought them into fold as a friend and ally. Maybe they did and I missed it but I never got the feeling there was anything close to the effort made with post war Russia like there was with Japan & Germany.

We've been allies on a couple of occasions in spite of our differences and we've obviously been adversaries, I'd like to see more effort exploiting the former and less of the latter
 
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fyi...here's who was speaking. I'm not making a judgement... it's just information, that's all...


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yimyammer said:
When the wall fell and people declared the Cold War over saying the US had won, I remember thinking there should be a hell of a lot more "we's" in that declaration

Yes the US won the cold war

but so did the Russians

and the rest of the world.

There were countless Russians who gave their lives going against their own government who helped make it possible. The US and the rest of the world should have focused less on spiking the ball and instead worked to fill the power vacuum with peace loving, free speech and free market supporting Russians who could have brought them into fold as a friend and ally. Maybe they did and I missed it but I never got the feeling there was anything close to the effort made with post war Russia like there was with Japan & Germany.

We've been allies on a couple of occasions in spite of our differences and we've obviously been adversaries, I'd like to see more effort exploiting the former and less of the latter
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Apparently the cold war is not over because many people in this country want to isolate Russia behind an iron curtain just as they did in the 1960s. They have even dusted off the Domino Theory that claims if one country fall, they all will like dominoes.

The return of the cold war mentality has been brought to you by Hillary Clinton who resurrected it as a ploy to defeat Trump in 2016.
 
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Creeper said:
The return of the cold war mentality has been brought to you by Hillary Clinton who resurrected it as a ploy to defeat Trump in 2016.
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Actually you're forgetting the "reset button" incident back when the Dems thought nasty cold and mean Dubya was wrong about our great friend and ally Russia and mean to Big Daddy Vladdy. This was during the World Apology Tour of Obama's first term.

The Russians dared laugh at Hitlery pretty much jeering her out of the room. Then later saying it was alarming to them that the US Secretary of State presented them with a button very much resembling a Soviet missile launch button. This was the moment the Dem Party flipped on Russia pretty much stealing the GOP position on Russia while pretending it was their policy the whole time. And the RNC and GOP heads and elected officials, simply let them get away with it.

This is what you saw during the 2016 presidential race. It just got adjusted from "Russia is evil can't be trusted" to, "Russia is evil and Trump is colluding with them."

Dem hate for Putin and Russia was and is real but it's based ONLY on them laughing Hitlery out of the room on camera. And nothing else.
 
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Creeper said:
Apparently the cold war is not over because many people in this country want to isolate Russia behind an iron curtain just as they did in the 1960s. They have even dusted off the Domino Theory that claims if one country fall, they all will like dominoes.

The return of the cold war mentality has been brought to you by Hillary Clinton who resurrected it as a ploy to defeat Trump in 2016.
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Nobody did more to help the Russians than Hillary Clinton
 
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Doomsday said:
Actually you're forgetting the "reset button" incident back when the Dems thought nasty cold and mean Dubya was wrong about our great friend and ally Russia and mean to Big Daddy Vladdy. This was during the World Apology Tour of Obama's first term.

The Russians dared laugh at Hitlery pretty much jeering her out of the room. Then later saying it was alarming to them that the US Secretary of State presented them with a button very much resembling a Soviet missile launch button. This was the moment the Dem Party flipped on Russia pretty much stealing the GOP position on Russia while pretending it was their policy the whole time. And the RNC and GOP heads and elected officials, simply let them get away with it.

This is what you saw during the 2016 presidential race. It just got adjusted from "Russia is evil can't be trusted" to, "Russia is evil and Trump is colluding with them."

Dem hate for Putin and Russia was and is real but it's based ONLY on them laughing Hitlery out of the room on camera. And nothing else.
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The question that is never asked or addressed by all these "oh my gosh we have to help poor Ukraine because Russia is a threat to the world and will take over everything" fucktards is this.

If Russia is so big and bad, and they are a threat to all of Europe and the rest of the world, how come in 3+ yrs they still haven't been able to gain anything v tiny little Ukraine, let alone wipe them off the face of the map as we were told?

Russia's own troops don't want to fight this. Russia had to go barter with North Korea to get more troops to help them. Russia's economy is shit.

Yeah yeah yeah..."but Russia has nukes!!!!!!!!!!". And they'll never use them.

This seems to me to be a classic example of something that if ignored, would go away completely.
 
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