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The owners would like you and I to spot them. In addition to us already bearing stadium costs in many of their districts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ae88ba-b70e-11e2-b568-6917f6ac6d9d_story.html

No place is more worker-friendly than California, one of the few states that recognizes “cumulative trauma,” and allows out-of-state workers to collect benefits essentially for aggregate injuries suffered over the course of their careers. The complex issue has turned the state into an NFL labor battleground. Players have flooded California with claims in recent years, some decades old, others with only tenuous connections to the state.

In response, NFL owners (as well as those from other professional sports leagues) have worked with state lawmakers on a bill that would forbid out-of-state athletes to file there at all. The bill passed the California Assembly in April, and will be heard in the Senate this month. In addition, NFL management has sought court orders to force players to file claims only in their home-team states, where statutes of limitations would effectively eliminate their cases.

The question of where an injured employee can file a claim has been the subject of worker-employer skirmishing for as long as the workers’ comp system has existed. Courts have generally held that a person who travels for a living, whether a flight attendant or a salesman or a football player, has the choice to file a claim in more than one jurisdiction if the worker had reasonable contact with those states.

Virtually every NFL team is involved in similar disputes, the volume of which has provoked the NFLPA to accuse the league of systematically opposing workers’ comp across the board. League management denies this; teams are simply trying to enforce contracts and control costs, according to Dennis Curran, the league vice president for labor litigation. “Like any employer, when you employ people, you anticipate that the benefits in the state are what you will be on the hook for,” he said.

Such efforts frustrate players and their attorneys, who say owners profit from the violence of the game to the tune of $9.5 billion in annual revenues, yet try to evade financial responsibility for the injuries that come with it. If the California legislation passes, they contend, generations of aging players, who made far less than today’s players, will be shut out of the system and thus be forced to turn to Social Security disability or Medicare.

“It’s cost shifting,” said Owens, the former player turned attorney who represents hundreds of ex-athletes. “It’s shifted to the U.S. government and Social Security. If the teams will not pay, or the insurance companies won’t pay for work-related injuries, where do the guys go?”

The cost will fall on taxpayers, according to a 2008 congressional research report on NFL disability. There are approximately 18,000 NFL alumni, and when they can’t pay for their health care it has an impact on “society as a whole,” the report said.

Good article if you care to read it. This problem is going to continue to build for the league, especially if they keep trying to duck it. owner backers so dumb
 
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I don't know the answer to the question.

I just know I can't feel sorry for richly rewarded athletes who are unable to take care of a bum knee when they're 50 years old.

Football is a dangerous sport. Deal with it.
 

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I don't know the answer to the question.

I just know I can't feel sorry for richly rewarded athletes who are unable to take care of a bum knee when they're 50 years old.

Football is a dangerous sport. Deal with it.

They are slaves, or so they claim. They have no choice except to take millions to play a game. Maybe their masters should shoot them at the end of their usefulness like the old days.
 

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I don't know the answer to the question.

I just know I can't feel sorry for richly rewarded athletes who are unable to take care of a bum knee when they're 50 years old.

Football is a dangerous sport. Deal with it.

Then again, even if a player has made millions, tons of surgeries combined with rehab are exorbitantly costly. Not to mention the cost to "quality of life" as you age, and the mental problems that they're now aware stem from concussions. Should a player be prepared to spend X portion of his total earnings (they're not all millionaires) to recover (or just exist painfully) from the manner he chose to make his money? especially when you also factor in what the owners are raking in, combined with their negligence and what could be construed as outright deceit in hiding medical information about long-term effects of football on the brain, etc.????

you can't just paint it with your broad brush here. Yeah Peyton Manning will be fine forever. Read the article it talks about a Dolphins seventh rounder who came back early from injury to try and make the cut, and because he doesn't have tenure he destroyed his knees and has no coverage.

Guess who's paying that uninsurable human's medical bills?

Put another one in the tally for socialized healthcare.
 
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Then again, even if a player has made millions, tons of surgeries combined with rehab are exorbitantly costly. Not to mention the cost to "quality of life" as you age, and the mental problems that they're now aware stem from concussions. Should a player be prepared to spend X portion of his total earnings (they're not all millionaires) to recover (or just exist painfully) from the manner he chose to make his money? especially when you also factor in what the owners are raking in, combined with their negligence and what could be construed as outright deceit in hiding medical information about long-term effects of football on the brain, etc.????

you can't just paint it with your broad brush here. Yeah Peyton Manning will be fine forever. Read the article it talks about a Dolphins seventh rounder who came back early from injury to try and make the cut, and because he doesn't have tenure he destroyed his knees and has no coverage.

Guess who's paying that uninsurable human's medical bills?

Put another one in the tally for socialized healthcare.

There are risks, both known and unknown, hardships, and unfortunate situations in all facets of life.

That is life. It is unfair. It is cruel.

You seem to have this misguided notion that everyone should be provided for throughout their lives. Stop it.
 

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So when soldiers get back from war we should tell them to fuck off they knew the risks? They served, took their lumps and knew the risks going in - so are the people who benefitted from their service not indebted to them in any way or obligated to them at all? After all they knew the risks and we compensated them during their tenure.

In the analogy the players are soldiers and the owners are the people profiting off them, and telling them to fuck off. This is for the inevitable idiot who wants to drop some "LOL R U SRSLY COMPRING PLAYERS TO SOLJERS???????" bs.

These people aren't asking for money they just want their medical expenses for injuries incurred while making the owners INSANE amounts of money to be taken care of. That's perfectly fair and in my mind morally right. The rest of you may be good with billionaires telling people who've sacrificed alot and made them tons of money (and in many cases made little money in return) to fuck off though. I guess we can enjoy paying for these people's uninsurable medical care via increased costs and more taxes going towards entitlement like SS and Medicaire. Hooray!
 
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superpunk said:
That's perfectly fair and in my mind morally right.

There are risks, both known and unknown, hardships, and unfortunate situations in all facets of life.

That is life. It is unfair. It is cruel.

You seem to have this misguided notion that everyone should be provided for throughout their lives. Stop it.


PS - Your analogy is both flawed and retarded.
 

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Great response owner backer. You really taught some hard-hitting lessons about life there, John Wayne.
 

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I'm glad you realize this isn't fair.

I'm saddened that you're too stupid to see that instead of the owners footing this bill it's passed on to us, and you're totally stoked about it. Yeah! Life's not fair! Deal with it players, and medicaire!
 

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No! I have to have the last word!

Apparently so, since you could have just stopped responding rather than keep tossing out pithy, uneducated one-liners. Come back if you're ready to have an actual discussion, pardner.
 
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Apparently so, since you could have just stopped responding rather than keep tossing out pithy, uneducated one-liners. Come back if you're ready to have an actual discussion, pardner.

Approximately 40,000 people are bitten by cats in the U.S. annually
 

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Apparently so, since you could have just stopped responding rather than keep tossing out pithy, uneducated one-liners. Come back if you're ready to have an actual discussion, pardner.

mad he's taking your spotlight?
 

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So when soldiers get back from war we should tell them to fuck off they knew the risks? They served, took their lumps and knew the risks going in - so are the people who benefitted from their service not indebted to them in any way or obligated to them at all? After all they knew the risks and we compensated them during their tenure.

In the analogy the players are soldiers and the owners are the people profiting off them, and telling them to fuck off. This is for the inevitable idiot who wants to drop some "LOL R U SRSLY COMPRING PLAYERS TO SOLJERS???????" bs.

These people aren't asking for money they just want their medical expenses for injuries incurred while making the owners INSANE amounts of money to be taken care of. That's perfectly fair and in my mind morally right. The rest of you may be good with billionaires telling people who've sacrificed alot and made them tons of money (and in many cases made little money in return) to fuck off though. I guess we can enjoy paying for these people's uninsurable medical care via increased costs and more taxes going towards entitlement like SS and Medicaire. Hooray!

Can't they just sign up for the super wonderful Obama-care? BO has their back. This is a non-issue.
 
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