Who Here is Not Entirely Sold on Dak Prescott?

[Aggiepride]

He covered that diplomatically in what he said. (He's not going anywhere) He's saying there would be no bidding war. Prescott wasn't going anywhere. And if he did that would be fine.

I'm calling BS on that. There would definitely be teams interested in Dak Prescott. Just look at some of the other QBs that teams have bid over. There's no way there would be no interest in Dak. None.

Shit, we traded a 4th for Trey Lance who barely had an NFL completion (exaggerating).

It was likely just a poorly worded sentence by Jimmy in the heat of the moment. Either that or he is going senile.

What about the Saints and the chance to be in Louisiana again?

And not to get on Jimmy, but saying "that would be fine" is fine when you don't have to worry about the consequences. But who woudl he repalce Dak with? Sam Darnold? Okay, what if Sam Darnold wants to play for the Giants?

We'd need answers. So it would be nice of Jimmy to continue talking and say who'd he'd replace Dak with if we were picking say 25th?

 

[Doomsday]

There would definitely be teams interested in Dak Prescott

But, no "war." Which was the meter. You think any other team would give Dak the bag Jerry did?

 

[dbair1967]

Also - there was zero reason to sign him and not wait and let him play out the last year. That's Jimmy's main point.

which is what I said...once they didnt sign him immediately at the start of offseason to have salary cap space, there was absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER to do it.

And the guy played like complete dogshit almost every game since.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm calling BS on that. There would definitely be teams interested in Dak Prescott. Just look at some of the other QBs that teams have bid over. There's no way there would be no interest in Dak. None.

Shit, we traded a 4th for Trey Lance who barely had an NFL completion (exaggerating).

It was likely just a poorly worded sentence by Jimmy in the heat of the moment. Either that or he is going senile.

What about the Saints and the chance to be in Louisiana again?

And not to get on Jimmy, but saying "that would be fine" is fine when you don't have to worry about the consequences. But who woudl he repalce Dak with? Sam Darnold? Okay, what if Sam Darnold wants to play for the Giants?

We'd need answers. So it would be nice of Jimmy to continue talking and say who'd he'd replace Dak with if we were picking say 25th?

Interest? Yeh.

60 mils per yr for this? NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL.

Jimmy's point is the same one I made, there was absolutely zero reason to do it WHEN THEY DID IT.

 

[dbair1967]

But, no "war." Which was the meter. You think any other team would give Dak the bag Jerry did?

No

 

[Doomsday]

Interest? Yeh.

60 mils per yr for this? NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL.

Jimmy's point is the same one I made, there was absolutely zero reason to do it WHEN THEY DID IT.

And that's Jimmy's entire point.

 

[Aggiepride]

Interest? Yeh.

60 mils per yr for this? NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL.

Jimmy's point is the same one I made, there was absolutely zero reason to do it WHEN THEY DID IT.

The reason is everything that I stated. Let's say Dak was top 5 in yards. Now what? People seem to think that extending Dak is up to only Jerry. Dak would be an unrestricted FA who could even take less money if he wanted to go elsewhere, just to spite the Cowboys.

Now, I would not have signed Dak, but I am also not pretending that replacing Dak would be a breeze. Would Jimmy take a chance with the 25th pick on Nussmeier? Do you feel 100 percent on that one? Would he try to trade up to take Sanders? What if he doesn't find a partner or the partner holds the pick for ransom?

What's Jimmy's plan if after the season Dak said, "I'm going to play for the Saints for less just because I want to play for the Saints?"

 

[Aggiepride]

Interest? Yeh.

60 mils per yr for this? NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL.

Jimmy's point is the same one I made, there was absolutely zero reason to do it WHEN THEY DID IT.

Also, I think people are forgetting that had Jerry not renegotiated the contract when he did, then Dak was on the books for 2024 for roughly 60 million or something like that. By doing so then, Jerry lowered the amount for 2024.

It's still high. Higher than I think Dak deserves. But the mess was created with the last contract that Dak got after being franchised when he refused a 5 year deal to get another bite at the apple. And as I recall, most fans wanted to give Dak whatever he wanted and were blaming Jerry for trying to play hard ball.

Is my memory wrong?

 

[dbair1967]

The reason is everything that I stated. Let's say Dak was top 5 in yards. Now what? People seem to think that extending Dak is up to only Jerry. Dak would be an unrestricted FA who could even take less money if he wanted to go elsewhere, just to spite the Cowboys.

Now, I would not have signed Dak, but I am also not pretending that replacing Dak would be a breeze. Would Jimmy take a chance with the 25th pick on Nussmeier? Do you feel 100 percent on that one? Would he try to trade up to take Sanders? What if he doesn't find a partner or the partner holds the pick for ransom?

What's Jimmy's plan if after the season Dak said, "I'm going to play for the Saints for less just because I want to play for the Saints?"

Total nonsense because Prescott would never agree to that.

He WOULD have gotten far less money, but not by any choice he made. Nobody else in the league would have been stupid enough to pay him this amount of money based on his level of play and proven postseason track record of failure.

 

[Aggiepride]

Total nonsense because Prescott would never agree to that.

He WOULD have gotten far less money, but not by any choice he made. Nobody else in the league would have been stupid enough to pay him this amount of money based on his level of play and proven postseason track record of failure.

Your hatred of Jerry and love of Jimmy is making you miss the obvious. Dak had already tweeted and said that if he had to leave then he had to leave. He was fine with that.

Part of Dak's leverage was the fact that Dallas would have owed Dak in the vicinity of 60 million for the 2024 season, and that would have meant even more roster cuts.

So, would you have been okay with Dallas paying Dak 60 million and making more roster cuts to meet the cap? Who would you be okay with cutting or not resigning to pay Dak the 60 million? Remember Jerry said "we couldn't afford Henry." Well why? I think it was because Dak's contract had not yet been finalized and Jerry had to account for the 60 million per league rules.

So would Jimmy have been okay with paying Dak 60 million in one season because although you previously wrote "60 million for this" Dak is getting less in 2024 because of the new contract.

The problem goes back to Dak's previous contract. I was one of the very few who did not want Dak signed then! After he was franchised I would have let him walk because I think there are always decent, or good enough, QBs that come available due to cap reasons or whatever. Aaron Rodgers became available, Baker, Carr, etc.

I think Cooper Rush sucks, but even he is doing okay. What would Rush be doing if he had a running game and some depth to absorb some of these injuries? Don't get me wrong. Rush is a back up. I don't think he is "good enough". So I was arguing way back then that Dak is not worth the money. But other fans point to stats and say he is.

In fact, I wanted Dak traded after his ROOKIE year. I saw a QB who got lucky and avoided several INTs because he couldn't throw accurately. DBs were out of position sometimes because the throw was bad. And he used to lock out his knee back then (which he has fixed). So to my layman eyes, I saw a QB who had very bad form. Still, Dallas was winning and most fans seemingly think the only person on the field is the QB, so in their eyes Dak was the greatest.

He could have been used as a Herschel Walker trade. He would have fetched a mint after his rookie year. Unfortunately, nobody listened to me. Patrick Mahomes could have been a Cowboy! Again, our GM has no vision!

So I take a back seat to NOBODY when it comes to wanting Dak gone, but I also try to walk in Jerry's shoes.

 

[dbair1967]

Part of Dak's leverage was the fact that Dallas would have owed Dak in the vicinity of 60 million for the 2024 season, and that would have meant even more roster cuts.

So, would you have been okay with Dallas paying Dak 60 million and making more roster cuts to meet the cap? Who would you be okay with cutting or not resigning to pay Dak the 60 million? Remember Jerry said "we couldn't afford Henry." Well why? I think it was because Dak's contract had not yet been finalized and Jerry had to account for the 60 million per league rules.

Remind us all again amigo, when did Johnny Walker GM actually sign Prescott to this ridiculous contract.

Hint- they would not have had to release anyone a few hours before the season kicked off.

Try to say this with the rest of us:

THEY

DID

NOT

NEED

TO

GIVE

HIM

THAT

DEAL

AT

THAT

TIME

 

[Aggiepride]

Remind us all again amigo, when did Johnny Walker GM actually sign Prescott to this ridiculous contract.

Hint- they would not have had to release anyone a few hours before the season kicked off.

Try to say this with the rest of us:

THEY

DID

NOT

NEED

TO

GIVE

HIM

THAT

DEAL

AT

THAT

TIME

Yes, I apologize. You are correct. I was confused with the March date when teams must be under the cap or release players and face fines. It seems odd that the date wouldn't be closer to the start of the season. I'll need to research why that is.

Dak was having a terrible season! As of Week 8 Dak had a QBR of 46.4. That put him 27th. So at that pace, I doubt Jimmy would have opted to re-sign Dak after the season. So then what, who? Jimmy's comments assume Dak would have stayed by just negotiating.

BTW, Rush's QBR is 33.8!

There are no easy solutions.

 

[dbair1967]

As of Week 8 Dak had a QBR of 46.4.

BTW, Rush's QBR is 33.8!

One makes 2.25 mils or so a yr, the other makes 60 mils a yr.

 

[Doomsday]

Just for reference.

 

[dbair1967]

Just for reference.
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Only number that matters is "0"

Both of them have ZERO Super Bowls and ZERO Conference Champ appearances.

 

[Aggiepride]

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IMHO, Dak took over a playoff caliber team with what was then being called the best offensive line in football.

The stats need to be handicapped for that.

Tony Romo spent his prime peak years running for his life behind Phil Costa, Montrae Holland, Nate Livings (who stepped on Romo's foot more often than he blocked), Gary Bernadeau etc.

I don't think any one of those offensive linemen could have started today.

I personally think it matters. IMHO, no Dallas QB's talent has been wasted more than Romo's.

Jerry even said that he didn't need to invest as much in the OL because Romo had "unique skills". Imagine if Jerry had taken the opposite approach and said, "I am going to invest heavily in the OL because Romo does have unique skills."

Garrett somehow managed to convince Jerry to transition to a better OL and they put it into hyper drive with the drafting of Frederick, who really solidified the middle for Romo. Unfortunately, the damage to Romo's body had already started.

I still believe that Dak's rookie season was with a deep-run playoff caliber team. Had Romo not gotten hurt, we had a real shot.

By the way, notice how this year, with a rookie center (and I do think Beebe will be a good one) and a rookie LT, that Dak got hurt. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

 

[dbair1967]

IMHO, Dak took over a playoff caliber team with what was then being called the best offensive line in football.

The stats need to be handicapped for that.

Tony Romo spent his prime peak years running for his life behind Phil Costa, Montrae Holland, Nate Livings (who stepped on Romo's foot more often than he blocked), Gary Bernadeau etc.

I don't think any one of those offensive linemen could have started today.

I personally think it matters. IMHO, no Dallas QB's talent has been wasted more than Romo's.

Jerry even said that he didn't need to invest as much in the OL because Romo had "unique skills". Imagine if Jerry had taken the opposite approach and said, "I am going to invest heavily in the OL because Romo does have unique skills."

Garrett somehow managed to convince Jerry to transition to a better OL and they put it into hyper drive with the drafting of Frederick, who really solidified the middle for Romo. Unfortunately, the damage to Romo's body had already started.

I still believe that Dak's rookie season was with a deep-run playoff caliber team. Had Romo not gotten hurt, we had a real shot.

By the way, notice how this year, with a rookie center (and I do think Beebe will be a good one) and a rookie LT, that Dak got hurt. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

There wasnt much wrong with the Cowboy OL from 2006-2009. The playoff loss in Minnesota was bad and the OL had a terrible game, but that was due to injuries more than anything else. Romo ranked near the top of the league each yr in fewest times sacked and we had a fairly solid running game. 2009 was the first season with Romo as a starter where he was sacked more than 24 times (34 that yr)

There was definitely a lack of talent on the OL for a couple years but they started turning it around in 2011 with the drafting of Tyron Smith (and RB Demarco Murray). 2013 saw T Fred arrive and 2014 we added Martin. Murray racked up some dominant performances from 2011-2013 before his record breaking season for us in 2014.

People have this revisionist history all the time with Romo and the Cowboys, thinking he was sacked ten times a game for years or something. The fact is he was never sacked more than 36 times in a season and numerous seasons was sacked only 20-something times. Even both years he got hurt (2010 and 2015) he was sacked only once per game on average. People thought he was "beat up" behind a bad OL game after game but that definitely was not true. His lack of dedicated weight room work also played a factor, Troy Aikman he was not in that regard.

 

[dbair1967]

By the way, notice how this year, with a rookie center (and I do think Beebe will be a good one) and a rookie LT, that Dak got hurt. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

IIRC Prescott wasnt even hit on the play he tore the hamstring on. Maybe someone can post the clip again.

 

[Dodger12]

IMHO, Dak took over a playoff caliber team with what was then being called the best offensive line in football.

The stats need to be handicapped for that.

Tony Romo spent his prime peak years running for his life behind Phil Costa, Montrae Holland, Nate Livings (who stepped on Romo's foot more often than he blocked), Gary Bernadeau etc.

I don't think any one of those offensive linemen could have started today.

I personally think it matters. IMHO, no Dallas QB's talent has been wasted more than Romo's.

Jerry even said that he didn't need to invest as much in the OL because Romo had "unique skills". Imagine if Jerry had taken the opposite approach and said, "I am going to invest heavily in the OL because Romo does have unique skills."

Garrett somehow managed to convince Jerry to transition to a better OL and they put it into hyper drive with the drafting of Frederick, who really solidified the middle for Romo. Unfortunately, the damage to Romo's body had already started.

I still believe that Dak's rookie season was with a deep-run playoff caliber team. Had Romo not gotten hurt, we had a real shot.

By the way, notice how this year, with a rookie center (and I do think Beebe will be a good one) and a rookie LT, that Dak got hurt. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Great post and spot on.....

 

[Aggiepride]

There wasnt much wrong with the Cowboy OL from 2006-2009. The playoff loss in Minnesota was bad and the OL had a terrible game, but that was due to injuries more than anything else. Romo ranked near the top of the league each yr in fewest times sacked and we had a fairly solid running game. 2009 was the first season with Romo as a starter where he was sacked more than 24 times (34 that yr)

There was definitely a lack of talent on the OL for a couple years but they started turning it around in 2011 with the drafting of Tyron Smith (and RB Demarco Murray). 2013 saw T Fred arrive and 2014 we added Martin. Murray racked up some dominant performances from 2011-2013 before his record breaking season for us in 2014.

People have this revisionist history all the time with Romo and the Cowboys, thinking he was sacked ten times a game for years or something. The fact is he was never sacked more than 36 times in a season and numerous seasons was sacked only 20-something times. Even both years he got hurt (2010 and 2015) he was sacked only once per game on average. People thought he was "beat up" behind a bad OL game after game but that definitely was not true. His lack of dedicated weight room work also played a factor, Troy Aikman he was not in that regard.

Romo had one of the quickest releases in the NFL. That helped him to not get sacked. it wasn't that the OL was playing remarkably well.

Romo also strategically let the play clock go to nearly zero so he could better anticipate what the D was going to do. That also helped with his protection.

I have zero clue what you were looking at. I know you pride yourself on being able to see OL play. But I gotta disagree with you here. Stats are sometimes a byproduct of what else is happening.

What I mentioned is part of the reason Jerry said Romo had unique skills". Romo would change the play, get the clock to basically zero, see what the D was doing, and get rid of the ball quickly.

Unfortunately, DC are not stupid and every so often they tricked Romo into an INT. Romo was under pressure a lot. It's not about the number of sacks. If a D can hurry up a QB's throw then that can lead to check downs and mistakes. YOU KNOW THIS!

I can't find the stats for 2010, but in 2011 Romo was pressured 174 times! According to Pro Football Focus, they ranked 15th in pass blocking among NFL teams!

In 2012, Romo was sacked 36 times, an average of 2.25 per game (now keep in mind what I said above about Romo's escape ability, quick release, and so forth). He was sacked 7 times in one game against the Browns..

The Cowboys' OL ranked 26th in pass protection. Again, keep in mind Romo's "Unique talent". And despite all of that, Romo threw for 4,903 yards and 28 TDs, and YES, he had 19 interceptions. With an OL that ranked 26th in pass protection, I think it's reasonable to assume the DC is going to take advantage.

Now let's go backwards, just to further show who "has revisionist history".

In 2009, Pro Football Focus ranked the OL 25th in pass protection. The OL was penalized 28 times!

Despite that, Romo threw for 4,483 yards and 26 TDs! They got to the playoff game where you pointed out the OL was horrendous and Romo was sacked 6 times.

Now, it's hard to find stats on the number of pressures, but we can infer that given the SHITTY pass protection rankings and the fact that Romo was known to have a quick release and so forth, that Romo was under pretty much constant pressure.

In 2008, Romo was the league's 3rd most pressured QB! In 2009, his pressure rate did go down by 11%, but that could have been to to factors such as Romo changing his game (quick reads, short passes, improved pocket movement, etc), changing plays etc. Because even though there was an 11% drop in pressures, he was sacked 34 times (2.1 a game)

Now I could go on an on. I can show you articles that talk about Romo's ability to anticipate the defense. How he put the offense in the right plays, how although his release was NOT as good as Tom Brady's or Dan Marino's, he still had a very good release time. etcetera.

All of it combined hid real deficiencies in the OL when he should have been putting up huge numbers and winning playoff games.

Dak Prescott would be one of the worst QBs in the NFL if he had to play with what Romo had to play with! As it is, he's above average.