Whitlock slamming Parcells

[Midswat]

arbitrary criteria for winning is fun. set the line at the spot that suits your argument best.....profit.

Arbitrary criteria for winning. lol

Are you suggesting that divisional titles and/or playoff wins is an unfair measuring stick?

 

[NoDak]

Arbitrary criteria for winning. lol

Are you suggesting that divisional titles and/or playoff wins is an unfair measuring stick?

I object, your honor. Because it's DEVASTATING to my case! /Liar Liar

 

[carphalen5150]

It does not minimize what Parcells did by having Belicheck on his staff...building a great coaching staff is not a bad thing.

 

[Midswat]

It does not minimize what Parcells did by having Belicheck on his staff...building a great coaching staff is not a bad thing.

Technically, I'd agree with your statement. Parcells did build a great coaching staff with Belicheck.

Of course, it's ironic that he was never able to build "great coaching staff's" when little Bill wasn't available.

And I think it takes the shine off of Parcells accomplishments as a coach. He doesn't deserve to be up there with the Landry's/Shulas/Gibbs(v1)/Lombardis, etc.

Did you know that Bill Belichecks defensive game plan to stop the Bills is in the NFL Hall of Fame? And did you know that Parcells scoffed at the gameplan and suggested it would never work, when first presented with it?

 

[carphalen5150]

Belichick filled his staff with former Parcell's guys as well, so it goes both ways.

Also...I am sure it was an epic gameplan, but the Giants offense did have the ball for over 40 minutes in the game.

 

[Midswat]

This thread is seriously lacking a few sbk92 "Laughable" posts.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think Whitlock is insinuating that Parcells "system" is in place in KC, with people that learned under him. Therefore he is in large part responsible for their failure as well.

For being "the worst team in football" i don't think they've done that bad this year. 2-3 with their only bad losses coming to two of the top teams in football this season.

You also can't argue what he meant to this franchise before he left, either.. as some have pointed out already.

 

[superpunk]

Arbitrary criteria for winning. lol

Are you suggesting that divisional titles and/or playoff wins is an unfair measuring stick?

arbitrary doesn't mean unfair. parcells took every team he's been with to the playoffs. bellichick has only taken one, and he's only"won" with brady, one of the greatest qbs ever. is that unfair, no, bit it is arbitrary and ultimately a meaningless argument that is meant to denigrate the accomplishments of great coaches by idiots with an axe to grind.

whitlocks piece really falls apart with the kc idea, where parcellls gets no credit for what pioli did in new england but plenty of blame for the mess in kc, a mess that made the playoffs last season and is one game under..500 despite losing their feature back. didn't they lose berry, too?

this piece, and anyone who thinks it is any good or makes a cogent point, is retarded.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

arbitrary doesn't mean unfair. parcells took every team he's been with to the playoffs. bellichick has only taken one, and he's only"won" with brady, one of the greatest qbs ever. is that unfair, no, bit it is arbitrary and ultimately a meaningless argument that is meant to denigrate the accomplishments of great coaches by idiots with an axe to grind.

whitlocks piece really falls apart with the kc idea, where parcellls gets no credit for what pioli did in new england but plenty of blame for the mess in kc, a mess that made the playoffs last season and is one game under..500 despite losing their feature back. didn't they lose berry, too?

this piece, and anyone who thinks it is any good or makes a cogent point, is retarded.

Yes, yes.. and yes.

 

[Midswat]

parcells took every team he's been with to the playoffs.

Okay, but he still has no playoff wins or division titles without Belichek.

bellichick has only taken one,

I guess.

You know, if you're totally ignoring that whole 11-5 Cleveland Browns team that he led to the playoffs, despite Modell trying desperately to bankrupt and relocate the team.

bit it is arbitrary and ultimately a meaningless argument that is meant to denigrate the accomplishments of great coaches by idiots with an axe to grind.

lol

We'll agree to disagree then.

But the facts remain... Parcells could never win without little Bill. Meanwhile, little Bill has had incredible success without Parcells.

Cool, huh?

 

[superpunk]

no u

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Okay, but he still has no playoff wins or division titles without Belichek.




I guess.

You know, if you're totally ignoring that whole 11-5 Cleveland Browns team that he led to the playoffs, despite Modell trying desperately to bankrupt and relocate the team.




lol

We'll agree to disagree then.

But the facts remain... Parcells could never win without little Bill. Meanwhile, little Bill has had incredible success without Parcells.

Cool, huh?

On the other hand, who knows what would have happen or how it would've changed things if Tony doesn't fumble that snap against the Seahawks.

 

[Midswat]

On the other hand, who knows what would have happen or how it would've changed things if Tony doesn't fumble that snap against the Seahawks.

We would've taken a 2 point lead, and handed the Seahawks the ball with about 1:30 left on the clock, with the then hottest kicker in the league in Josh Brown (who had kicked I think four 50 yard plus game winning field goals for the Seahawks that year), coupled with our Zimmer-led defense who had a propensity for letting teams drive late in games, surrendering wins.


But if you want to play the what if game... so be it. Doesn't change what DID happen.

 

[Sheik]

Jerry without Jimmy/Jimmy's players

Go!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

We would've taken a 2 point lead, and handed the Seahawks the ball with about 1:30 left on the clock, with the then hottest kicker in the league in Josh Brown (who had kicked I think four 50 yard plus game winning field goals for the Seahawks that year), coupled with our Zimmer-led defense who had a propensity for letting teams drive late in games, surrendering wins.


But if you want to play the what if game... so be it. Doesn't change what DID happen.

You seem a bit overly sensitive on this subject.. been talking to Wes Welker this week?

I was simply saying that, while you are correct, BP had his team in as good of a position as you can to win that game, and Tony just flat out blew it.

His contributions to this franchise had alot more to do with personel than coaching though, i think that's obvious.

 

[superpunk]

what if pioli hadn't drafted brady?

whitlock would still be a ******

 

[Midswat]

If the Patriots hadn't drafted Brady, Parcells still wouldn't have won a playoff game without Belichick on his staff.

:thumbsup

 

[superpunk]

as long as we can blame parcells for global warming, snooki, and orbitz soda I'm on board.

 

[carphalen5150]

Awesome...I love me some global warming comedy...now it is in the thread twice!!! Hells yeah.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Wade Phillips > Bill Parcells