ThoughtExperiment
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Our military?
Our military?
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hey dipstick, your people controlled the congress and senate for O's first two years, and W's last two years.
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Last time I checked he was the Commander in Cheif
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How could anyone be worse than the moron GWB
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just like a lib, dispute a fact no matter what
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He's not the SEAL who actually fired his weapon CMD. Whats wrong with you?
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Seriously? Those were huge strategic decisions that had to be made. Decisions that took huge guts and the right strategic moves with truly disastrous consequences if things had gone wrong. In this case we've been trying to kill OBL since 2001, under two different presidents. It probably didn't make a huge difference if we got him or not.
Bush wanted Osama killed, too. Would he get some great credit if it had happened late 2008? I don't think so.
I'm also surprised it took that long to get OBL, but I don't think it's some discredit to Obama that it did.
Oh well.
I think the important question is why is it so important to you that Obama not get credit for this?
Ultimately it's meaningless. But the fact is he was commander in chief when we got him. So why does everyone feel the need to go around moping and saying "Obama didn't pull the trigger guys"? Why is it so important to make sure he isn't credited with that?
Notice in my small list of his major accomplishments I didn't list OBL. Because who the fuck cares? But I do think it's interesting that so many people insist that he not get any credit whatsoever for that.
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It isn't important to me that he not get credit. I already said that if the same thing had happened under Bush, I wouldn't give him much credit either. And I sure wouldn't call him a hero.
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lol
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Russia overreaching themselves in Afganistan did that.
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Who gives a fuck? The Bay of Pigs says hello.
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You get no argument from me there. We weren't in a war before FDR stepped in like Bush and Reagan were during the Cold War. Although it took Pearl Harbor to get everyone in Congress to become pro-war.
cmd34 said:
Indeed it was. The hunt for Osama began long before Obama stepped in. He didn't restructure the military once he assumed the Presidency.
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State Dept. Walks Back Biden Deadline on Afghanistan
State Department officials said Tuesday that formal negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan past 2014 are set to begin soon — contradicting claims by Vice President Joe Biden that U.S. troops will be “leaving in 2014, period.”
Biden emphasized in last week’s vice presidential debate that U.S. troops would exit the country in 2014.
“We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we’re going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion,” he said.
U.S. negotiators met last week in Kabul with their Afghan counterparts to discuss the Bilateral Security Agrement, Foreign Policy’s Josh Rogin reports:
Marc Grossman, the State Department’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that’s not the whole story.
Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces. [...]
Some U.S. military officials have said the plan is to keep 25,000 American troops in Afghanistan past 2014, but Grossman insisted that there is no number yet and the 25,000 figure quoted in reports is speculative. NATO announced Monday that it will also keep international troops in Afghanistan past 2014 alongside U.S. troops, not for combat but strictly for the mission of training and advising the Afghans.
This makes the third Biden debate claim the administration or campaign has since walked back or clarified.
The vice president suggested President Obama’s tax plan would only raise taxes on individuals earning more than $1 million in income — rather than the $250,000 threshold the administration has pushed all year. The campaign quickly shot down the claim the next day.
White House press secretary Jay Carney defended Biden’s insistence that “we weren’t told” about the requests for more security at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, but clarified that Biden was only speaking for himself and the president.
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Biden and Obama will blatantly say anything to get re-elected.
State Department officials said Tuesday that formal negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan past 2014 are set to begin soon — contradicting claims by Vice President Joe Biden that U.S. troops will be “leaving in 2014, period.”
Biden emphasized in last week’s vice presidential debate that U.S. troops would exit the country in 2014.
“We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we’re going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion,” he said.
U.S. negotiators met last week in Kabul with their Afghan counterparts to discuss the Bilateral Security Agrement, Foreign Policy’s Josh Rogin reports:
Marc Grossman, the State Department’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that’s not the whole story.
Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces. [...]
Some U.S. military officials have said the plan is to keep 25,000 American troops in Afghanistan past 2014, but Grossman insisted that there is no number yet and the 25,000 figure quoted in reports is speculative. NATO announced Monday that it will also keep international troops in Afghanistan past 2014 alongside U.S. troops, not for combat but strictly for the mission of training and advising the Afghans.
This makes the third Biden debate claim the administration or campaign has since walked back or clarified.
The vice president suggested President Obama’s tax plan would only raise taxes on individuals earning more than $1 million in income — rather than the $250,000 threshold the administration has pushed all year. The campaign quickly shot down the claim the next day.
White House press secretary Jay Carney defended Biden’s insistence that “we weren’t told” about the requests for more security at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, but clarified that Biden was only speaking for himself and the president.
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Biden and Obama will blatantly say anything to get re-elected.