Update to the "Parcells Core" Nonsense

[dbair1967]

It's because you have unrealistic expectations. Parcells was brought here to bring a jolt to the franchise, and he did, bottomline.

He was hired to turn the team around, no doubt about it. But I also think if someone could have known that Parcells would finish barely .500 in 4yrs, never win a division title and come away with no playoff wins, that he likely would have never got the job here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He was hired to turn the team around, no doubt about it. But I also think if someone could have known that Parcells would finish barely .500 in 4yrs, never win a division title and come away with no playoff wins, that he likely would have never got the job here.

Uh, then who would we have hired? Not many can turn franchises around. Parcells turned 3 around before he was hired here, so I doubt there were very many better options we could have turned to.

 

[dbair1967]

Uh, then who would we have hired? Not many can turn franchises around. Parcells turned 3 around before he was hired here, so I doubt there were very many better options we could have turned to.

Like I said numerous other times. Parcells the GM= positive, Parcells the HC here= mediocre

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Answer my question, David.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Fact, Barry Switzer won a super bowl more recently than Bill Parcells has.

Basically you are saying nobody else could have led the Cowboys to a .500 record and no playoff wins in 4 yrs, to me thats just an incredibly stupid and naive belief.

If we gave Barry Switzer the 2002 Dallas Cowboys.. and you think he'd have brought us a super bowl.. please go to the nearest wall and smash your head into it about 20 times. Quickly. For all of us..

 

[CowboysRMX]

Well I dont think you can put Ware, Newman and Romo in there. The Jones overruled Parcells on Ware. Parcells was in love with Spears at 11 not Ware. Parcells was head over heels for Dwayne Robertson and only chose Newman because Parcells didnt want Suggs. Romo has and always been Sean Payton.

Parcells gets too much fame for being above average. Hell Wade Phillips had more success with Parcells guys then Parcells ever did while he was in Dallas. **** Parcells and his self-promoting ass. Dallas had the top rated and fastest defense in the nfl his first yr. Then he canned 2004 to transform to his thing. Dallas was set to bring in Bertrand Berry and Antoine Winfield. Parcells was never on board and who did dallas end up with? Marcellus Wiley, Chad Eaton, and Tyrone Williams? Really?

Bertrand Berry and Antoine Winfield would've made a difference. and Wouldve allowed Dallas to concentrate on other areas such as offense. Dallas had a good chance to land a guy who couldve played good in dallas Billy Volek but decided to stay with Vinny T? 2004 set Dallas back years because Parcells had to tear the defense apart. Something that wasnt broken.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well I dont think you can put Ware, Newman and Romo in there. The Jones overruled Parcells on Ware. Parcells was in love with Spears at 11 not Ware. Parcells was head over heels for Dwayne Robertson and only chose Newman because Parcells didnt want Suggs. Romo has and always been Sean Payton.

You most certainly can put Ware, Newman, and Romo in there because they were all brought in under BP's reign. Don't care what the rumor mill says bud.

Even if Parcells didn't make every selection on his own, he brought his guys in here to help him out with that stuff. You say Romo was ALL Payton's doing? That's fine.. Payton would have never been here if not for Parcells though.

 

[Sheik]

You most certainly can put Ware, Newman, and Romo in there because they were all brought in under BP's reign. Don't care what the rumor mill says bud.

Even if Parcells didn't make every selection on his own, he brought his guys in here to help him out with that stuff. You say Romo was ALL Payton's doing? That's fine.. Payton would have never been here if not for Parcells though.

I find it hard to believe that Bill Parcells wasn't on board or wasn't at least on the same page as Payton was about signing the young FA.

It's not even as much about who found him as it is about who held onto him. BP knew the guy could play at least enough to keep the UDFA around and make sure he had a roster spot.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I find it hard to believe that Bill Parcells wasn't on board or wasn't at least on the same page as Payton was about signing the young FA.

It's not even as much about who found him as it is about who held onto him. BP knew the guy could play at least enough to keep the UDFA around and make sure he had a roster spot.

I was just explaining that even if what he said was true (which its not), Romo STILL wouldn't be here had BP not been here.

 

[CowboysRMX]

You most certainly can put Ware, Newman, and Romo in there because they were all brought in under BP's reign. Don't care what the rumor mill says bud.

Even if Parcells didn't make every selection on his own, he brought his guys in here to help him out with that stuff. You say Romo was ALL Payton's doing? That's fine.. Payton would have never been here if not for Parcells though.

Nope you cant put Ware Newman and Romo in Parcells lil circle because he didnt want them. The Jones' forced them onto him. Just like TO. Parcells might have brought a sense of stability back in Dallas. But he set Dallas back years and then left because he "didnt want to do it anymore" But then took more money from Miami. You can love that fat fuk all you want. i hated the day he was hired and thats never gonna change.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Nope you cant put Ware Newman and Romo in Parcells lil circle because he didnt want them. The Jones' forced them onto him. Just like TO. Parcells might have brought a sense of stability back in Dallas. But he set Dallas back years and then left because he "didnt want to do it anymore" But then took more money from Miami. You can love that fat fuk all you want. i hated the day he was hired and thats never gonna change.

Clearly you're emotional about it. However saying he didn't want any of them is just silly. I won't even respond to that with a rebuttal. Its just wrong.

Edit: Also.. i just read you said he "set Dallas back years".

lol lol lol

 

[Theebs]

wow. All this arguing and people dont even have the facts straight.

 

[dbair1967]

If we gave Barry Switzer the 2002 Dallas Cowboys.. and you think he'd have brought us a super bowl.. please go to the nearest wall and smash your head into it about 20 times. Quickly. For all of us..

I never said any such thing.

 

[dbair1967]

Answer my question, David.

I guess I'd have to research everyone who was available at the time. That said, I was doing backflips when it was announced we were getting him, at the time I thought he was clearly the best guy for the job. But I also didnt expect that the best he would do as HC is barely finish .500 and not win a single playoff game either.

 

[Midswat]

You most certainly can put Ware, Newman, and Romo in there because they were all brought in under BP's reign. Don't care what the rumor mill says bud.

It's not the "rumor mill."

All of that stuff has been confirmed by Bryan Broaddus, who has no agenda and was in the Cowboys war rooms during those years.

If Stephen and Jerry not overruled Bill, then we would have taken either Merriman or Spears at 11.

In other words, our best player, and the leagues best pass rusher, would not be a Cowboy if Bill had his way.

But you think he should get credit for that?

lol

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It's not the "rumor mill."

All of that stuff has been confirmed by Bryan Broaddus, who has no agenda and was in the Cowboys war rooms during those years.

If Stephen and Jerry not overruled Bill, then we would have taken either Merriman or Spears at 11.

In other words, our best player, and the leagues best pass rusher, would not be a Cowboy if Bill had his way.

But you think he should get credit for that?

lol

Just because we would have taken a different player at a different spot doesn't mean Bill didn't want a guy. Also, it has nothing to do with Romo.

 

[Midswat]

Just because we would have taken a different player at a different spot doesn't mean Bill didn't want a guy.

Holy shit.

 

[Midswat]

We had a piss poor team because of the guy, who at the time, you were behind. Jerry Jones.

I wasn't behind Jerry during those years.

I've said this time and time again - I'm a results oriented person.

If you generate good results, I'll root for you. If you start fcking up, I have no use for you.

Those teams were terrible, and I held disdain for Jerry for that.

Ironically, I got back on the Jerry bandwagon the day he hired Parcells. I felt it was a great move, and I appreciated him conceding power. I had high expectations.

Somebody was brought in to fix that mess.

And I don't think I've ever not given him credit for reshaping our personnel department.

Again, I know what you consider "core", that's why I made mention of it depends on what someone believes the core really is. I wasn't saying that it depends on what you think it is, I was talking in general.

I'm the smartest person on this forum. If I define what the core is, you all should fall in line.

Kinda ignored the part where I gave Parcells credit for how he handled Romo, didntya? I never said that BP gets all the credit for signing him as a FA. I said he would have had no future in Dallas had BP not known how to handle him.

We kept him around because he showed potential. But Parcells should've started 2006 with Romo at the helm. Had a true QB competition in camp. Romo would've won, easily. And we would've been in a better position going into the playoffs.

Remember? I referenced Jerry not liking the Bledsoe benching in favor of Romo?

I've never heard that before. Where'd you get this from?

Bill and Jerry weren't the only idiots that passed over him in rounds 1 and 2. I guess we'll start labeling late round gems miracles from now on. Couldn't be that every other team in the NFL passed over him because they thought there were better players available.

The team wanted to take Witten, Parcells wanted to take Al Johnson. So we took Al Johnson.

We're ridiculously fortunate that Witten fell to us.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Holy shit.

Love the dog photo.. as i was saying, just because he wanted to take Ware later with our second pick doesn't mean he didn't want the guy. He just wanted to get our DL shored up first.

 

[Midswat]

Love the dog photo.. as i was saying, just because he wanted to take Ware later with our second pick doesn't mean he didn't want the guy. He just wanted to get our DL shored up first.

And going Dline first would've been a monster of a mistake. As history has proven.

Here's the story, as confirmed by Bryan Broaddus.

Parcells wanted Merriman with the 11th pick in the draft. He loved Merriman and Spears, and was just okay with Ware.

Jerry and Stephen told Parcells the morning of the draft that we were taking Ware over Merriman because of character concerns and because of rumors (that came true) that Merriman was switching his agent to the Postons.

Parcells then felt we should've taken Spears at 11, because he thought we could've gotten Ware later in the draft (namely, 20th).


I'll re-itterate my earlier comment... if Parcells had his way, the best pass rusher in the NFL, and our best player, would not even be on this team. We would've taken Merriman or ~gulp~ Spears, at 11.