Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[Irving Cowboy]

History... as told my 2233. There is none like it.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better about yourself Irv.

Pointing out that you are wrong is "insulting" you? Geez, you are even more like Hostile than I thought.

Show me where I agreed with Bob that there have been 200 years of opportunities. You brought up the 60's as when segregation ended as a reply, and I merely pointed out that means 2 generations of African-Americans have chosen to not take advantage of the many programs of reverse discrimination that have been afforded to them.

Please tell me why, as was pointed out before, Asians, Hispanics, and other ethnic groups have carved themselves a niche' in society while the majority of African-Americans choose to blame everyone else for their problems.

 

[2233boys]

A majority of an entire race chooses to blame everyone else for their problems? Wow


Never said you agreed with Bob. I Answered everything else already.

 

[2233boys]

Question Irv and Jbond what do you mean by carving a niche or succeeding. Is it high school diploma, college degree, 100,000 year job? Looking at it from an educational standpoint, African Americans graduate from college and high school at a higher rate than Latinos/Hispanics. Income standpoint they also earn more. Asians are more successful in both areas over, Caucasian, African Americans and Latinos/Hispanics. I don't want to put words in either of your mouths but it seems to me that both you said that African Americans weren't able achieve the success of Latinos/Hispanics and Asians. Is that the case?

I will reiterate I think the major factor in people achieving in all races are responsible, active, two parent families.

 

[boozeman]

I will reiterate I think the major factor in people achieving in all races are responsible, active, two parent families.

I don't disagree. And if the rates of single black females raising children alone is what I think it is, the problem is the black male mentality, not some sort of institutionalized racism that keeps them down. Maybe that would be a more beneficial thing for our President to talk about.

 

[2233boys]

Eighty seven percent of Asian, Seventy-four percent of White, non-Hispanic, 59 percent of Hispanic, and 33 percent of Black children lived with two married parents in 2012

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Looking at it from an educational standpoint, African Americans graduate from college and high school at a higher rate than Latinos/Hispanics. Income standpoint they also earn more.

Really? The why on earth would you be telling everyone how disadvantaged they are?

I didn't say that African Americans weren't able to achieve the same success as Hispanics/Asians. I said they do not put themselves in a position to succeed for the most part because their culture tells them over and over again that they are owed something for what happened long before you and I came along, and some of them actually believe it... and that's a fact.

And I also agree that two parents in a healthy relationship has a lot to do with how a child turns out... unfortunately, that culture does not foster that image for the most part.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

A majority of an entire race chooses to blame everyone else for their problems?

I think so.

 

[2233boys]

Really? The why on earth would you be telling everyone how disadvantaged they are?

. I didn't say that. I said they didn't have 200 years of opportunity or the same opportunities to succeed.

I didn't say that African Americans weren't able to achieve the same success as Hispanics/Asians.

good but depending how you define success you may have been wrong about Hispanics.

I said they do not put themselves in a position to succeed for the most part because their culture tells them over and over again that they are owed something for what happened long before you and I came along, and some of them actually believe it... and that's a fact.

I'd agree that some do, but other cultures also blame outside factors when they don't succeed. Segregation wasn't that long ago at least 3.3 million African Americans (as of 2010) lived through segregation.

And I also agree that two parents in a healthy relationship has a lot to do with how a child turns out... unfortunately, that culture does not foster that image for the most part.

The percentage of two parent homes have been declining for years in America. African American communities do have a higher rate of single parent families, and some of it may be cultural and I think poverty has a lot to do with it as well.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

This is becoming a chicken/egg argument here.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I said they didn't have 200 years of opportunity or the same opportunities to succeed.

Sounds exactly like you are saying they are disadvantaged.

Then you pull out stats (that I don't really feel like fact-checking right now) that contradict what you said earlier.

 

[2233boys]

Sounds exactly like you are saying they are disadvantaged.

Then you pull out stats (that I don't really feel like fact-checking right now) that contradict what you said earlier.

Ok Irv whatever you say.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Has anyone done the "if the roles were reversed" thing for if trayvon was chasing down Zimmerman ?

I bet zimm would go into Jason statham mode.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think Afro Americans are hiding behind the slavery thing anymore, Irv; I think for the most part it's the culture that they've created for themselves here in America in the past 20 or so years that is doing it. The thug life.

2233 brought up the 60s. Blacks worked their asses off then. Nowadays, not so much.

 

[Sheik]

Replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton with Real Black leadership, you'll see a big difference.

Sharpton and Jackson have made careers out of keeping their own people down. Really sad.

 

[Sheik]

And Bob makes a good point. They want to be seen as being thuggish, hooligans that are a threat to society.

Guess what, if they want to act in a manner that makes them look dangerous, they'll be seen that way.

Trayvon is dead because he walked like a duck etc.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton with Real Black leadership, you'll see a big difference.

Sharpton and Jackson have made careers out of keeping their own people down. Really sad.

A guy on the radio the other day compared Jackson and Sharpton to an exterminator. When he shows up, he doesn't want to find that there's no infestation problem because then he doesn't make any money. And when he does find a small problem, he's going to make it bigger than it actually is because that's how he is going to make a living.

I thought it was a pretty fair analogy.

 

[Sheik]

pretty much.

 

[dbair1967]

 

[dbair1967]

We have an unqualified socialist black president now.

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