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He should have been charged with just man slaughter from the start. As it is from what I've seen and read he likely gets acquitted.

There just seems to be something seriously wrong with Florida's judicial system. (Bush elections, Anthony case, now this)
I don't think it's unusual for a prosecutor to slightly upcharge a case. They just have to believe that there is evidence consistent with the charge, but often times when it's not a slam dunk, they err on the side of the higher charge, and end up with a conviction on a lesser included. Manslaughter is almost always a lesser included on any type of murder charge.

He's not likely to get convicted of Murder 2, but we didn't really know that until all the evidence was put together. It's not as though they charged him with Murder 1... that would have been a ridiculous upcharge.
 
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I do believe this though... if Zimmerman didn't have that gun, we could easily be seeing Martin on trial right now for murder or at least felonious assault.
 

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Well, this shouldn't even be at trial. I put the odds at Manslaughter so high because of outside political pressure that I'm sure will reach the jury to some degree. Even the judge seemed to favor the prosecution through a lot of what I've seen.

Basically, this trial became bigger than George Zimmerman. Wouldn't suprise me if he gets thrown under the bus to appease the masses.

Lets see. The police Chief was forced to quit when he did not arrest GZ because of a lack of evidence. The State attorney originally assigned the case was replaced because he believed the case lacked merit. The original judge was forced to recuse himself because he knew the lawyer (umm... what judge doesn't know lawyers in their area?).

This is a good old fashioned lynching. The progressives and racists are going to get their pound of flesh one way or another. Has anyone seen anything about a investigation regarding all the death threats and bounties placed on Zimmerman by the racist pigs, aka the Black Panthers?
 
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I believe Zimmerman initiated the confrontation by following the kid. I think that the case has been made in the trail and the subsequent evidence that he never intended to go back to his car. If he had stayed with the car none of this happens. Martin may very well have thrown the first punch but you'll have a hard time making me believe his injuries were to the extent where he needed to use deadly force. He overreacted as did Martin if he indeed threw the first punch. One is a kid and the other is an adult, who should have showed more restraint and acted more responsibly. I think manslaughter is what he should have been charged with, as it is, I don't think he is punished at all. I don't believe that is justice in this case.
 

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Judicial Watch Releases Audio of DOJ Helping Trayvon Protesters

Audio obtained by Judicial Watch shows that Department of Justice staffer Thomas Battles, regional director of the Community Relations Service tasked with working with Trayvon Martin rallies in March and April 2012, coordinated with community members about ousting Sanford Police Department chief Bill Lee. The audio is from a meeting at the Shiloh Church on April 19, 2012 with city officials and minority advocacy group Dream Defenders.

“I want to welcome you all tonight to a community dialogue,” Battles says on the tape. “Tonight comes out of a commitment by the city to begin to develop a plan to talk with the community about moving forward. So as we come tonight, this is not a gripefest, but an attempt to move the city forward in a very positive way…CRS is an arm of the department that we call the Peacemakers. We work with communities where there is real or perceived racial tensions. If a community perceives that there’s something wrong in the black community, there’s something wrong.”

He then introduces someone from the Dream Defenders, who says, “When Trayvon happened, for many of us, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. We had grown up in a state and environment where race is a way of life….We’re not from Sanford, but what Sanford represented to us was the very real problems going around this state and this country. We wanted to figure out how could we stand in solidarity, and how could we make this about not just justice for Trayvon, but using this moment and using the opportunity to honor his memory, to honor his spirit by working to bring down the various structures and the various systems that allow something like this to happen.”

Judicial Watch alleges that the CRS “actively worked to foment unrest, spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on travel and hotel rooms to train protestors throughout Florida.”
 
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“I want to welcome you all tonight to a community dialogue,” Battles says on the tape. “Tonight comes out of a commitment by the city to begin to develop a plan to talk with the community about moving forward. So as we come tonight, this is not a gripefest, but an attempt to move the city forward in a very positive way…CRS is an arm of the department that we call the Peacemakers. We work with communities where there is real or perceived racial tensions. If a community perceives that there’s something wrong in the black community, there’s something wrong.”
How dare he say such inciting things?!?!?!
 

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pep,

The issue is the judicial department following Obama's lead chose sides at the height of the race mongering before the facts were presented. Can you tell me what the people assigned to protect us have done regarding the murder bounties placed on Zimmerman? What system does the Judicial department want to destroy? What specifically are they referring to? It is clear the administration will go to any length and kill as many people as necessary to get their way regarding gun control (Fast and Furious).

I doubt they are referring to the bum fights set up by Trayvon.
 

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I'm not going to indulge you in your outlandish conspiracy theories.

Bummer.

I used to think they were outlandish until I watched Hillary sit on a stage with the president of Mexico blaming gun shop owners for gun violence when at the exact same time our government was forcing gun shops to smuggle weapons to narco-terrorists in Mexico. There is an agenda, and you have to blind not to recognize it.

There is an agenda in the Zimmerman case. There is a reason the Justice department encouraged black Zimmerman protesters and told them we will tear down the system while at the same time ignoring death threats. There is a reason Obama claimed Trayvon would look like his son. I guess you think he did that to calm racial tensions.
 

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'Crackers,' a 'teenage mammy' -- the sorry truth about race and Zimmerman trial

By Juan Williams
Published July 11, 2013
FoxNews.com


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...nners-in-martin-zimmerman-case/#ixzz2Yqx8TQBR

"White Hispanics," "Creepy-Ass Crackers," "Teenage Mammies," and "Suspicious A--holes who always get away" -- that is the vernacular of the George Zimmerman trial.

George Zimmerman faces life in jail as a jury considers second-degree murder charges against him for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. But thanks to the media he is already sentenced to life in the American public's mind as a racist.

NBC edited a tape of Zimmerman’s call to police as he was following Martin to make him appear to be focused on Martin’s race.

The New York Times has referred to him in unique racial terms as a “white Hispanic." The terminology was necessary to have the story fit into a well-worn news narrative throughout American history from the Scottsboro Boys to Emmett Till to Rodney King – the black victim of white racism. Hispanic people can be as racist as black or white people in a country with a deep history of racism. But, apparently for the Times, Zimmerman's whiteness was important. It fit their good versus evil tale of a white racist killing an innocent black man.

In June, before the trial started, a CNN poll asked Americans if they believed the murder charges against Zimmerman were true or false. Without any courtroom testimony or evidence, but based on the racially charged media coverage, 62 percent of Americans said the charges were “probably true” or “definitely true.”

My bet is that poll would have different results today. The trial has failed to prove Zimmerman acted with a “depraved mind” – as required for a second-degree murder conviction – or even with a racist mind. He certainly killed Martin. And the jury may decide he is guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter. But what we heard in the courtroom fits with an FBI report that found race was not a factor in Martin’s shooting death.

The strong public judgment of Zimmerman’s guilt in the poll reflected a racially weighted media telling of the story. Photos of a bloodied Zimmerman after the incident, Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense and the police decision not to charge Zimmerman all got a dismissive glance from the press and contributed to public assumptions about Zimmerman before the trial.

Liberal and conservative news TV and radio have played to the racial theme, too. The left, notably Rev. Al Sharpton, have made the case a crusade for racial justice. The right-wing media, especially talk radio, has responded by making Zimmerman a hero. In fact, Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, created an online site that attracted more than $145,000 from people who somehow made Zimmerman into their champion, possibly their great white hero.

The national focus on race in this case hit a high point when Rachel Jeantel, a 19-year-old student, testified that she spoke with Martin just before he was killed. Jeantel, Martin’s friend, told the court that Martin complained that a “man was just watching him.” And Martin described this man, Jeantel said, as a “creepy, white, excuse my language, cracker --- creepy-ass cracker.”

Jeantel’s testimony set off a stupid debate, requiring total ignorance of slavery and legal segregation, about the equivalence of blacks using “cracker” to describe whites, versus whites using the word “******” to describe blacks.

And Jeantel’s physical appearance, as a dark, heavyset young woman, speaking with a Southern dialect as she gave the lawyers a lot of attitude with her curt answers, contributed to the racial view of the case.

She became the “teenage mammy,” in the words of a sociology professor quoted in the New York Times, caricatured for “not being smart and using these racial slurs and not being the best witness.”

And now the media, especially some conservative talk radio outlets, are fixated on the possibility of race riots if Zimmerman is acquitted. Meanwhile, Twitter and other social media sites are full of threats from angry black people to kill Zimmerman if he is not held accountable by a jury for killing Martin.

Martin, the 17-year-old, is dead. But he has not escaped the racial slander attached to this case. Zimmerman’s backers note that Martin had smoked marijuana – as if that is unusual among American teenagers. They seem delighted to find online messages in which he took on a rapper, street-thug persona and posed as a tough guy.

These are all caricatures of two real people caught in a tragedy.

Zimmerman should have listened to the 911 emergency dispatch operator who told him to stop following Martin.

Why did he have a gun if he was simply part of a neighborhood watch program?

He had no basis to suspect Martin of any crime. So why does he describe Martin as “suspicious” to police?

Why does he apparently lump Martin with people he describes as “these a--holes, they always get away.”

Why didn’t Martin just walk away from Zimmerman?

But Martin is dead. He can’t speak for himself and get beyond the box of racial stereotypes the media built for him.

Zimmerman is alive. He has chosen not to speak at his trial, and although the prosecution played an interview he did with Fox News' Sean Hannity, it is still no match for skipping an ideal chance to tell his story when everyone is listening in the courtroom and on television.

Now, no matter what the verdict, he is going to carry his box of racial stereotypes around until his death. His identity will always be as a want-to-be cop who trailed a black kid who was not doing anything wrong, got in a fight with him, pulled out a gun and killed him.

Ultimately, it is the job of the media to give straight, objective coverage of any story.

Whatever the final verdict on Zimmerman, the media is clearly guilty of playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings.

There are no winners here.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...nners-in-martin-zimmerman-case/#ixzz2YqwagGI8
 
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Check out Gawker. They have a full size pic of Martin dead at the scene.

Yeah...them riots are coming.
 

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Check out Gawker. They have a full size pic of Martin dead at the scene.

Yeah...them riots are coming.

So, everyone agrees that if the Justice system finds Zimmerman is innocent there will be riots, correct? Now the question is, how many flat screen TV's will be stolen in loving memory of Trayvon?
 

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So, everyone agrees that if the Justice system finds Zimmerman is innocent there will be riots, correct? Now the question is, how many flat screen TV's will be stolen in loving memory of Trayvon?

About as many console TVs that were lifted in support of Rodney King.

Wait. Fewer. Those old ones were heavier.
 
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how can I be racist when dis khid trizzy agrees with me huh answer me that

Care to quote the post you made in this thread that says anything close to what he was saying?

You've been race baiting and accusing those who thought GZ was innoncent as being racist the whole time.
 

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finding one random self-loathing black person who agrees with them - the last bastion of the racist
 
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