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A very reasonable post. The maps are interesting. I have read a couple of pro Trayvon sites that raise some interesting points. They are obviously a bit biased but interesting none the less.
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Here's the audio from the phone call.
[video=youtube;zj7qEcD8R-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8[/video]
Here's the reenactment he made the very next day.
[video=youtube;PX1sxARNq_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c[/video]
Couple of inconsistencies with how he tells the story and what plays out on the audio.
Then he follows that up by saying he got out of his car and started walking towards the house on the next street over so he could get the address off it to give it to dispatch. You can actually hear the wind pick up because he's jogging and not only does he confirm that he's following him, one of the first things he says when the wind dies down is "he ran" which would be an odd thing to say if you don't expect him there because you have no idea where he is.
Three different times he says that he lost sight of Trayvon in his reenactment but the only mention in the phone call of not knowing where he was is when he said, "he ran" after getting out and pursuing Trayvon. Beyond that he's basically giving the play-by-play of everything Trayvon is doing, including a button on his shirt that he was wearing but does of course forget to mention that Trayvon is circling his car like a flock of vultures over wounded prey.
Also just a weird thought process. In the reenactment he says he doesn't know where Trayvon is and even though he's given his location to them as being straight past the clubhouse and to the left he's still wanting to get out and get the address for a house that's a block away on a street that is different than the one he's having a hard time remembering?
This guy raises a similar question about all the time that passed and the short distance Zimmerman traveled.
[video=youtube;zj7qEcD8R-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8[/video]
Here's the reenactment he made the very next day.
[video=youtube;PX1sxARNq_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c[/video]
Couple of inconsistencies with how he tells the story and what plays out on the audio.
- At 4:50 he says the dispatcher asked him to get to a point where he could see Trayvon because he had lost sight of Trayvon. That never happened on the phone call. This supposedly occurred while he was parked at the clubhouse but in the phone call Zimmerman says that Trayvon is near the clubhouse and "coming towards me" which would indicate that Travyon was walking away from the clubhouse and towards what would be the fight location, putting Zimmerman in between those two spots where he would eventually get out of his truck.
- At 6:00 he starts to talk about how Trayvon had turned the corner and went behind the houses before coming back and circling Zimmerman's car. There's no mention at all of Trayvon ever circling the car on the phone call. At best Zimmerman says that Trayvon is "coming to check me out" but this is after the part where Zimmerman places Trayvon at the clubhouse and states that he is walking towards him. Sounds more like Trayvon walked by the car on his way from the clubhouse. "He's up to no good. He's on drugs. He's suspicious. He's staring at me." All stuff he said but when Trayvon actually backtracked towards Zimmerman and circled his car, that didn't get mentioned. Zimmerman is in a car, has a gun and Trayvon gets close enough to where he can actually speak to him and Zimmerman doesn't feel compelled to ask him anything or even say that's part of the neighborhood watch and didn't recognize Trayvon? Perhaps Neighborhood Watch people don't engage with "suspects" but if that's the case it would likely be one of the few guidelines they have that he decided to follow that night.
- This one is probably the most blatant revision to the story. At 6:50 he says that he has once again lost sight of Trayvon and so his first thought is to get out and look for a street sign because he can't remember the name of one of the 3 streets in the community he has lived in for over 2 years. It's only after he's unaware of Trayvon's location and simply to find a street sign that he gets out of his car, according to the reenactment. Entirely bogus. It's plain as day that he gets out of his car after he says Trayvon starts running and when asked if he's following he replies, "yes".
Then he follows that up by saying he got out of his car and started walking towards the house on the next street over so he could get the address off it to give it to dispatch. You can actually hear the wind pick up because he's jogging and not only does he confirm that he's following him, one of the first things he says when the wind dies down is "he ran" which would be an odd thing to say if you don't expect him there because you have no idea where he is.
Three different times he says that he lost sight of Trayvon in his reenactment but the only mention in the phone call of not knowing where he was is when he said, "he ran" after getting out and pursuing Trayvon. Beyond that he's basically giving the play-by-play of everything Trayvon is doing, including a button on his shirt that he was wearing but does of course forget to mention that Trayvon is circling his car like a flock of vultures over wounded prey.
Also just a weird thought process. In the reenactment he says he doesn't know where Trayvon is and even though he's given his location to them as being straight past the clubhouse and to the left he's still wanting to get out and get the address for a house that's a block away on a street that is different than the one he's having a hard time remembering?
This guy raises a similar question about all the time that passed and the short distance Zimmerman traveled.
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Finally some reasonable discussion without bomb throwing. Thanks hoof. By surveying all the sites and the possible explanations I believe this trial is far from over. The DA and their witnesses have been weak with a couple of exceptions. Both legal teams still have some tricks up their sleeves.
And how does he have any voice recognition skills cooking shrimp and chicken fried rice for the past 40 years?
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They just object to west bc he's boring them and it always seems like a good idea to sustain it
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CNN BROADCASTS ZIMMERMAN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
On Monday, CNN showed George Zimmerman’s Social Security number and other personal information live over the air, including address, date of birth, and phone number. That immediately launched a round of tweets by Zimmerman haters celebrating knowledge of that information.
This is hardly the first time Zimmerman’s personal information has been distributed by those who oppose him. During the initial coverage of the Zimmerman trial, Spike Lee retweeted the home address of what he thought was Zimmerman’s home address. It turned out to be the wrong address. Roseanne Barr then tweeted Zimmerman’s parents’ home address. “If Zimmerman isn't arrested I'll rt his address again. maybe go 2 his house myself,” Barr tweeted.
This isn't the first element of media bias in the Zimmerman case, either. The Associated Press originally reported that Zimmerman was white. That falsehood was repeated for days by the media, heightening the racial aspect of the case.
The media also broadcast photographs of Zimmerman from a 2005 arrest rather than current photos, and conversely broadcast photographs of Martin as a pre-teen, not the 17-year-old he was at the time of the killing (the media's photographic choices actually impacted witness testimony during the trial).
NBC News manipulated tape of Zimmerman's 911 call to make it seem that Zimmerman had targeted Martin because he was black, rather than responding to 911 dispatcher questions. CNN also isolated audio of Zimmerman purportedly calling Martin a racial slur during the call -- an allegation that ended up being completely false.
Both ABC News and NBC News also alleged that Zimmerman's injuries did not exist, releasing badly-pixellated photographs from the night of the incident. As trial testimony has shown, Zimmerman was indeed injured during the incident with Martin.
On Monday, CNN showed George Zimmerman’s Social Security number and other personal information live over the air, including address, date of birth, and phone number. That immediately launched a round of tweets by Zimmerman haters celebrating knowledge of that information.
This is hardly the first time Zimmerman’s personal information has been distributed by those who oppose him. During the initial coverage of the Zimmerman trial, Spike Lee retweeted the home address of what he thought was Zimmerman’s home address. It turned out to be the wrong address. Roseanne Barr then tweeted Zimmerman’s parents’ home address. “If Zimmerman isn't arrested I'll rt his address again. maybe go 2 his house myself,” Barr tweeted.
This isn't the first element of media bias in the Zimmerman case, either. The Associated Press originally reported that Zimmerman was white. That falsehood was repeated for days by the media, heightening the racial aspect of the case.
The media also broadcast photographs of Zimmerman from a 2005 arrest rather than current photos, and conversely broadcast photographs of Martin as a pre-teen, not the 17-year-old he was at the time of the killing (the media's photographic choices actually impacted witness testimony during the trial).
NBC News manipulated tape of Zimmerman's 911 call to make it seem that Zimmerman had targeted Martin because he was black, rather than responding to 911 dispatcher questions. CNN also isolated audio of Zimmerman purportedly calling Martin a racial slur during the call -- an allegation that ended up being completely false.
Both ABC News and NBC News also alleged that Zimmerman's injuries did not exist, releasing badly-pixellated photographs from the night of the incident. As trial testimony has shown, Zimmerman was indeed injured during the incident with Martin.
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Cut my head on a thorn bush this weekend so I shot it