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It's true, but that absolutely has not been their claim because they aren't trying to hold Obama's feet to the fire on his promise to halve the "debt", which is the talking point you were parroting earlier. He promised to halve the deficit, and Romney and co. have claimed that he doubled that rather than halving it - which is a flat out lie.

One which you ignorantly fell for.

He didn't half anything. He broke his promise.
 
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It's true, but that absolutely has not been their claim because they aren't trying to hold Obama's feet to the fire on his promise to halve the "debt", which is the talking point you were parroting earlier. He promised to halve the deficit, and Romney and co. have claimed that he doubled that rather than halving it - which is a flat out lie.

One which you ignorantly fell for.

I didn't fall for anything. I was talking about the national debt which has almost doubled.
As for the deficit, it has also increased and not been cut like he said.
 

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The national debt was at 10+ tril the day Obama took office. More than 6 tril has been added in the last 4 years.

Obamas big promise was to cut the running deficit in half, if not, this was a one term proposition.


4 years later and 4 trillion+ deficits later, he probably sealed his own fate.
 

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I didn't fall for anything. I was talking about the national debt.

Right. Ok buddy.
Doubling the deficit is exactly what Obama has done despite pledging to have it cut in half by now.

Why should we believe anything else that liar has to say?

Find me any sort of article where Obama promised to halve the debt (he never did) and I will believe you. he promised to halve the deficit. It's what you were talking about all along because you fell for the Republican shit without thinking for yourself.
 
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The national debt was at 10+ tril the day Obama took office. More than 6 tril has been added in the last 4 years.

Obamas big promise was to cut the running deficit in half, if not, this was a one term proposition.


4 years later and 4 trillion+ deficits later, he probably sealed his own fate.

he hasn't reduced the deficit but look at this chart.

Federal_Spending_Bush_Vs_Obama.png


It has at least levelled off, as opposed to the meteoric rise we were on. While spending is still high, we are also dealing with inflow (taxes/revenue) that are insanely low. And you want to vote for someone who wants to drop them even lower while not cutting anything? What do you imagine that will do to the deficit?
 

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UVA brought up something the other night. The TARP situation. That's something I'm not clear on.

Was TARP a law that was passed for bailout situations, that Obama used, or did Bush put it forward and put it in motion?

Reason I ask, is because Obama is taking credit for the bailouts of GM and the too big to fail banks. I thought that was Bush.

The chart that UVA posted had all that debt credited to the bush years, while I was under the impression that Obama admittedly signed the thing reluctantly.

SP, VA?
 
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I admitted multiple times in this thread, starting here, that Obama did not deliver on his promise to halve the deficit.

Can you admit your mistake in believing the lies of the republican party and parroting them like a good automaton, or are you going to continue to dance around and keep changing the subject, Bach?


Oh noes, you called me Bach!!11!!! I also went by ChopBlock which I like better.

And yes, I agree that Obama failed to deliver on his promise. The deficit not only wasn't halved but has increased by over $4 trillion and the national debt has almost doubled.

Sounds like a one term proposition to me.
 

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I'm not going to edit my above post, but to clarify, I thought Bush initiated TARP, but I don't understand why Obama is taking credit for it.

I think I just confused myself.
 

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Can you admit your mistake in believing the lies of the republican party and parroting them like a good automaton, or are you going to continue to dance around and keep changing the subject, Bach?

I'll wait. No sense continuing until you own up to it.
 
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UVA brought up something the other night. The TARP situation. That's something I'm not clear on.

Was TARP a law that was passed for bailout situations, that Obama used, or did Bush put it forward and put it in motion?

Reason I ask, is because Obama is taking credit for the bailouts of GM and the too big to fail banks. I thought that was Bush.

The chart that UVA posted had all that debt credited to the bush years, while I was under the impression that Obama admittedly signed the thing reluctantly.

SP, VA?

The initial one was passed in Sept/Oct of '08. In '09 the Obama, Pelosi, Reid stimulus was passed. Offhand I'm not sure exactly what was included in either but I do know I opposed both.
 
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I'll wait. No sense continuing until you own up to it.

I don't blame you for wanting out. Whether it's the national debt or the deficit, Obama has been a huge disaster. No way to sugarcoat or defend it. Guess calling me Bach (which I thought was already known) is a way for you to deflect from the issue at hand, which is Obama's horrible record on the economy.
 

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Am I confusing the stimulus with TARP?

UVA's chart had, I wanna say, like $800 B attributed to Bush's deficit in 08' because of TARP, which I was under the impression went to GM and the bank bailouts?
 

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Can you admit your mistake in believing the lies of the republican party and parroting them like a good automaton, or are you going to continue to dance around and keep changing the subject, Bach?

I'll wait.
 
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