The Political Football

[Dodger12]

typo, not $100B, meant over $10B

the NYT based on the tax and bank documents he's about to be indicted over ... he inherited $400+M, by 1984 (age 40), the SP500 was below 175, it's currently at 3,500 ... cap gains and dividends puts it well over $10B

You are so disingenuous and think that people here are as lazy as you. You take a stat, omit relevant facts and then purport it to be accurate without any homework or basic research.

Donald Trump, according to the Times, inherited 413 million in TODAY's dollars (2018). The fact that you omit that detail is telling just how disingenuous you are. You make it seem like he inherited 413 million when his father passed away. In addition, had Trump invested his money in stocks that track the S&P 500, he would be worth 1.96 billion. Not 10 billion as you claim:

What The New York Times Got Right (And Wrong) Regarding Fred & Donald Trump

Bernie Kent's examination of the New York Times detailed investigation into the transfer of money and property by Fred Trump and his wife to Donald Trump and his siblings.

www.forbes.com

But let's just take your point and say he'd be worth billions had he invested his inheritance. So what? He took that money, bought properties and rebuilt the NY skyline. That much is a fact. He employed people and paid more in taxes than any of us would make in 100 lifetimes. He built hotels and bought real-estate all over the world. he took his dad's local real estate business in Brooklyn and took it to Manhattan and internationally.

Do millionaires and billionaires try to find tax shelters to protect their money? You bet. I would too. These guys hire accounting firms and probably pay them millions in fees to save millions in taxes. Nothing new here.

 

[Dodger12]

you're a trick

once the GOP wouldn't have tolerated an orange haired trick with 3 trophy wives on any ballot
worse, the 2 top guys in the GOP - Trump and McConnel, are 1960s draft dodgers
the main problem is the moral collapse of the GOP
for further proof read just how tacky your response above is - Jerry Springer level thought

If you have a problem with morals in politics, then you should be a conservative. The party of Lincoln. The party of less government and lower taxes. The Dems are the party of the KKK, George Wallace, the Clintons, Robert Byrd, riots (known to Dems as peaceful protests), higher taxes, etc.

Who wrote it:

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels."

"the Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."

Yes, Robert Byrd. A Democrat and Clinton mentor. I also see that Wikipedia has softened the ties between Robert Byrd and the KKK. Not surprising and folks want to rewrite history. Dolts like you are falling for the lie because you're too intellectually lazy to do some research. You are the ill informed and easily influenced.

 

[Number1]

The moral collapse of the GOP?

The Clintons say hello

While getting a BJ

in the White House

From his intern

While he was President

And don’t even get me started on Killary

so why after decades of investigation did the DOJ under multiple AGs and presidents and house and senate committees find nothing but a BJ and a lie?

even if they did the things we hear in right wing propaganda, too good to get caught - competence

 

[Scot]

so why after decades of investigation did the DOJ under multiple AGs and presidents and house and senate committees find nothing but a BJ and a lie?

even if they did the things we hear in right wing propaganda, too good to get caught - competence

Because many of the people with info on, or set to testify against the Clintons ends up dead from mysterious causes- competence

At least they are competent at something

 

[Dodger12]

so why after decades of investigation did the DOJ under multiple AGs and presidents and house and senate committees find nothing but a BJ and a lie?

even if they did the things we hear in right wing propaganda, too good to get caught - competence

You were discussing moral collapse and people responded. Then you go off on criminal investigations. It's what I said earlier, you change the parameters and then move your argument to fit the changed narrative.

 

[dbair1967]

Who wrote it:

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels."

"the Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."

Yes, Robert Byrd. A Democrat and Clinton mentor. I also see that Wikipedia has softened the ties between Robert Byrd and the KKK.

But but but......but they're democrats

 

[dbair1967]

Number1 getting owned

 

[Number1]

If you have a problem with morals in politics, then you should be a conservative. The party of Lincoln. The party of less government and lower taxes. The Dems are the party of the KKK, George Wallace, the Clintons, Robert Byrd, riots (known to Dems as peaceful protests), higher taxes, etc.

if you are so down with conservative thinking - join the Lincoln Project and fix the GOP

BTW, I supported John Kasich in 2016 - competence not ideology.

 

[Dodger12]

if you are so down with conservative thinking - join the Lincoln Project and fix the GOP

BTW, I supported John Kasich in 2016 - competence not ideology.

There you go again....changing the discussion. You know nothing about the Lincoln Project and, worse yet, refuse to educate yourself before you post stupid shit (yet again). The Lincoln Project is/are anti-Trumpers who advocate vocting Democrat. That's not conservative. That's being never-Trump and there's a huge difference. Now go do some homework and see who the major funders are of the Lincoln Project. I have news for you, they're wealthy Dems.

So you think Biden is competent?

 

[yimyammer]

and everyone one of us is a sucker for thinking either party will ever do jack shit, they both print money hand over fist, the government is entirely too large, ever-growing, over-reaching and unnecessary in many and perhaps most cases

and as both parties fiddle while the country burns (ie the looming collapse of the dollar and therefore our economy, power, military & influence) we argue each side like we do over our favorite football team with their rivals which serves as the perfect distraction from the fact both parties should be kicked to the curb and the entire government be given a massive enema

if anything needs to be defunded, its our bloated and borderline worthless government that has completely lost sight of who serves whom

You'd think we could all be united on that but hell nah, its business as usual with each side at each others throats over mundane bullshit while nothing really changes except the ever growing national debt and unfunded liabilities which will ultimately crush us all, regardless of party affiliation

So I suggest we eat, drink & be merry for tomorrow we're broke!

 

[Number1]

But but but......but they're democrats

neither party has a claim on the moral high ground
your so called argument is as lame as I expect from anyone who supports the clown in the WH

umm ... who was the republican governor of California who coined the phrase "the only good injun, is a dead injun"?

care to discuss how Hardening (known KKK) and Hoover lost the black vote for the GOP via jim crow policies?
any idea of the body count? the acres stolen? how businesses sabotaged?

care to hear how the Bush family got rich during a pandemic a 100 years ago via mass murder?

do you realize Prescott Bush helped bank roll the Nazi party? ever heard of "Mr. Roosevelt's War"?

do you want to talk about Nixon's "southern strategy"?
or Reagan-Bush pushing dope on Americans to bank roll illegally arm terrorists in central America and the mid east?

care to discuss why the GOP refused aid to English speaking Christian WW2 allies fighting Soviet aggression in Ethiopia?
do you recall the GOP policy on apartheid?
ever heard GHWB's "common european home" speech?

how many GOP house members voted to recertify the voting rights act?
why won't McConnell even bring it to the floor?

or Trump sucking up every racists fool he can with dog whistles to the "deplorables"?

 

[Number1]

So you think Biden is competent?

relative to Trump - yes

 

[Number1]

There you go again....changing the discussion. You know nothing about the Lincoln Project and, worse yet, refuse to educate yourself before you post stupid shit (yet again). The Lincoln Project is/are anti-Trumpers who advocate vocting Democrat. That's not conservative. That's being never-Trump and there's a huge difference. Now go do some homework and see who the major funders are of the Lincoln Project. I have news for you, they're wealthy Dems.

dude ...

they are decent republicans tired of the trash Trump has drug in

 

[Number1]

You were discussing moral collapse and people responded. Then you go off on criminal investigations. It's what I said earlier, you change the parameters and then move your argument to fit the changed narrative.

I've been talking competence - and noted the GOP's current lack of morals aggravated their weak talent
then you started talking about your "pussy" perspectives

 

[Dodger12]

umm ... who was the republican governor of California who coined the phrase "the only good injun, is a dead injun"?

The phrase was (allegedly) coined by General Philip Sheridan. Do you just post stuff without any research? Do you just take talking points and not dig a little deeper before you post and look like a moron? This is why the left wants to burn books....they have shills like you who believe the talking points and want to re-write history.

 

[Dodger12]

care to discuss how Hardening (known KKK) and Hoover lost the black vote for the GOP via jim crow policies?
any idea of the body count? the acres stolen? how businesses sabotaged?

It's "Harding" you uninformed dolt.

Fact vs. Fiction about President Warren G. Harding

www.hardinghome.org

4) Was President Harding a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Although he belonged to many fraternal organizations, he never was a Klansman. In 1922, the Klan spread the story that the president was a Klansman, and that allegation was published in newspapers across the country. The president adamantly denied the story. The Klan’s smear campaign seemingly was retribution for an October 1921 speech Harding gave in Birmingham, calling for an end to inequality between the races in regard to political, economic and educational opportunities. The Klan also found that telling people the president was a Klansman was helpful in recruiting new members. The Klan was at the height of its popularity and membership in the early 1920s, with 4 million members and chapters in all 48 states.

And Hoover was the President during the Great Depression which had more to do with him losing the election than anything.

The “Fulfillment of White’s Prophecy” | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

In his last speech on the House Floor, in 1901, George Henry White of North Carolina—the final Black lawmaker elected in the nineteenth century—had predicted the return of Black Members to Congress. Oscar De Priest arrived on Capitol Hill 28 years later. Six months before his election, the...

history.house.gov

"Still, Hoover received between two-thirds and three-quarters of the black vote in northern urban wards."

As late as the mid-1930s, African American Republican John R. Lynch, who had represented Mississippi in the House during and after Reconstruction, summed up the sentiments of older black voters and upper middle-class professionals: “The colored voters cannot help but feel that in voting the Democratic ticket in national elections they will be voting to give their indorsement [sic] and their approval to every wrong of which they are victims, every right of which they are deprived, and every injustice of which they suffer.”

 

[Dodger12]

do you realize Prescott Bush helped bank roll the Nazi party?

I'm doing your homework for you and I won't waste my time any longer. You're just an uninformed idiot, not just about politics and history, but also about football so this comes as no surprise. If you're going to make claims, then back them up. Politics is an ugly game and both parties have taken advantage of Americans for their own power and political gain. But at least be accurate in what you post. Add an occasional link instead of just regurgitating shit you hear from your leftist friends who want to re-write history and dolts like you just fall for it because you're too lazy and uninformed to think for yourself.

You're just ignorant and engaging you is pretty useless because the conversation just devolves. As you do with your football posts, you post little, if any, factual information and back nothing up. This place is great because we can discuss different topics openly but you're more of a troll than a poster.

President's family had links to bank with ties to Hitler supporter

www.smh.com.au

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp, a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents. Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism.

There is no evidence that Prescott Bush directly aided that effort, and his position with Union Banking was never a political issue for Mr Bush.......

 

[dbair1967]

BTW, I supported John Kasich in 2016 - competence not ideology.

Kasich is a big fucking moron

 

[dbair1967]

So you think Biden is competent?

 

[dbair1967]

neither party has a claim on the moral high ground
your so called argument is as lame as I expect from anyone who supports the clown in the WH

umm ... who was the republican governor of California who coined the phrase "the only good injun, is a dead injun"?

care to discuss how Hardening (known KKK) and Hoover lost the black vote for the GOP via jim crow policies?
any idea of the body count? the acres stolen? how businesses sabotaged?

care to hear how the Bush family got rich during a pandemic a 100 years ago via mass murder?

do you realize Prescott Bush helped bank roll the Nazi party? ever heard of "Mr. Roosevelt's War"?

do you want to talk about Nixon's "southern strategy"?
or Reagan-Bush pushing dope on Americans to bank roll illegally arm terrorists in central America and the mid east?

care to discuss why the GOP refused aid to English speaking Christian WW2 allies fighting Soviet aggression in Ethiopia?
do you recall the GOP policy on apartheid?
ever heard GHWB's "common european home" speech?

how many GOP house members voted to recertify the voting rights act?
why won't McConnell even bring it to the floor?

or Trump sucking up every racists fool he can with dog whistles to the "deplorables"?

What a load of bullshit