The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[Creeper]

Still not worse than Biden or Hillary crimes.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Trump was charged with 31 one counts of violating this statute (relevant wording highlighted):

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

31 one counts of retaining documents that should have been delivered to NARA upon leaving office.

Someone please explain to me why this same statute does not apply to Hillary, Biden, and Mike Pence - and probably every other president who kept documents after leaving office. The fact is, they are all guilty of violating this statute.

Where Trump has a serious legal issue is the charges of obstruction. He is accused of telling his aide to remove boxes of documents and hide them from the lawyers who were charged with going through all the boxes of documents and removing the top secret and classified items for delivery to the FBI. When his lawyers turn over the classified docs, and signed affidavits attesting that they were the only classified docs, they were unaware that Trump had hidden boxes of docs from them which also contained classified materials. Why Trump did this, I do not know. But the documents he hid were found when they raided his home at Mar-a-Lago. In fact, it was NARA who informed the FBI that there were still documents missing from what Trump turned over. That's when the FBI decided to raid Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago. During the raid, the hidden boxes were discovered and taken. Hence, the obstruction of justice charges against Trump and his aide. It is hard to defend these actions if true.

 

[dbair1967]

We know the answer to the above Creeper. Everyone knows why.

Except maybe IKing.

 

[Dodger12]

I don't believe in making threats unless you are completely willing to follow through. At the same time, If some right wing nut takes a gun and starts shooting the blowback from Dems and the media will be swift and strong.

This will happen anyway. The left are experts in redefining terms. 1/6 was an "insurrection" and people were jailed. This was a deterent so honest people with everything to lose don't protest or speak out.

Some right wing nut job is going to go rogue. That's a given. Just like some transitioning loon killed the kids at the Christian School. We do nothing but sit back and wait for the manifesto to be released but the Dems are keeping it under wraps until all is forgotten. Republicans suck. They're just windbags and this Congress is the last breath of a dying party until the fraud ensures the left will always control the governement and it's institutions.

 

[Dodger12]

you know trump stupid put papers in bathroom?? lol

also why why those lights in a bathroom have to be fancy not a simple bathroom lol

I don't know why I even engage you since you don't have one brain cell to respond. But I'll ask another question(s) even though you didn't answer my previous question.

First, is it illegal to keep the documents in the bathroom? If so, was it illegal for Clinton to keep recordings in his sock drawer? Or Biden to keep documents in his garage? Or in China Town? Or anywhere else the 1850 boxes are being kept?

Asking (again) for a frien(s).....................

 

[Creeper]

I don't know why I even engage you since you don't have one brain cell to respond. But I'll ask another question(s) even though you didn't answer my previous question.

First, is it illegal to keep the documents in the bathroom? If so, was it illegal for Clinton to keep recordings in his sock drawer? Or Biden to keep documents in his garage? Or in China Town? Or anywhere else the 1850 boxes are being kept?

Asking (again) for a frien(s).....................

Technically, yes. The Presidential Records Act requires all presidents and vide presidents to turn over all documents to NARA for storage and preservation. But this is a civil matter not a criminal matter. In other words, if there is a dispute NARA sues in court too get a court order to retrieve the documents in question, which is what they did in the Clinton tapes case.

Clinton never had any right to store classified emails on her personal server. Her server never should have existed as the State Department offered her government email services and she refused. And not only did she know what she was doing was wrong, but Obama also knew about her server and even had his own email address and alias to use when he emailed her on her server.

As I posed, Hillary, and Biden, both violated Title 18, US Code, Section 793(e), the statute Trump is charged with violating 31 times. But Hillary went a step further. She deleted 30,000 email on her own, and ordered the destruction of phones and hard drives after receiving a subpoena from congress to preserve all evidence pertaining to her email server. Hillary clearly, blatantly and intentionally obstructed justices. What is forgotten is the FBI had to recover all those deleted emails at great cost to the American taxpayers. They succeeded with thousands but were unable to recover many more.

It is impossible to fathom how Trump is charged but Hillary was not.

 

[yimyammer]

BREAKING: Trump is polling at 61 percent following federal indictment, knocking out DeSantis by nearly 40 point lead

61 percent of GOP voters said they will support Trump, while 23 percent said they will vote for DeSantis.

thepostmillennial.com

Well, there it is, that settles it!

Spoiler

Trumps a racist!

 

[touchdown]

In Miami, Trump’s ardent backers are a sign of the city’s rightward shift

In Miami, Trump's ardent backers are a sign of the city's rightward shift

MIAMI (AP) — Florida’s shift to the right is perhaps nowhere more notable than in this vibrant swath of the state’s southeast coast where the latest Donald Trump drama is unfolding.

apnews.com

 

[dbair1967]

Waste of time fat fuck Rino....won't even get 2% of vote in primary

Christie Says He Doesn’t Believe DOJ Has Been Weaponized Under Biden, Wouldn’t Fire Wray - New Right Network

Former Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Monday that he wouldn’t fire FBI Director Christopher Wray, and said he disagreed with

newrightnetwork.com

 

[Creeper]

Waste of time fat fuck Rino....won't even get 2% of vote in primary

Christie Says He Doesn’t Believe DOJ Has Been Weaponized Under Biden, Wouldn’t Fire Wray - New Right Network

Former Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Monday that he wouldn’t fire FBI Director Christopher Wray, and said he disagreed with

newrightnetwork.com

It was weaponized way before Biden and Christie should know since he was investigated by Eric Holder for Bridgegate. Christie is a perfect example of what happens to someone who if infected with TDS. Christie was once a fighter, like Trump. He used to standup to the left wing activists, like the teachers union in NJ. It was common for Christie to be caught on video smart mouthing some Democrat leader for something. That is what made Christie appealing as governor. He stood up to Democrats on the NJ budget, taxes and a number of other issues despite being governor in a state that is 2/3 Democrat. He has TDS now and you can see how he has changed. He no longer has the fight in him. He is just focused on Trump. Why go though all this, spend all that donated money, just to attack Trump. It is what TDS does to people. It turns perfectly rational, intelligent people into complete idiots. It strips them of their pride.

 

[Dodger12]

It was weaponized way before Biden and Christie should know since he was investigated by Eric Holder for Bridgegate. Christie is a perfect example of what happens to someone who if infected with TDS. Christie was once a fighter, like Trump. He used to standup to the left wing activists, like the teachers union in NJ. It was common for Christie to be caught on video smart mouthing some Democrat leader for something. That is what made Christie appealing as governor. He stood up to Democrats on the NJ budget, taxes and a number of other issues despite being governor in a state that is 2/3 Democrat. He has TDS now and you can see how he has changed. He no longer has the fight in him. He is just focused on Trump. Why go though all this, spend all that donated money, just to attack Trump. It is what TDS does to people. It turns perfectly rational, intelligent people into complete idiots. It strips them of their pride.

This is how the down and out RINO's are going to make their money. The Whale knows he has no shot at being nominated. He's not running to be President. He's conducting a job interview to be a contributor at CNN. He's a phoney.

 

[dbair1967]

The Whale knows he has no shot at being nominated.

L O L

 

[InternetKing]

I don't know why I even engage you since you don't have one brain cell to respond. But I'll ask another question(s) even though you didn't answer my previous question.

First, is it illegal to keep the documents in the bathroom? If so, was it illegal for Clinton to keep recordings in his sock drawer? Or Biden to keep documents in his garage? Or in China Town? Or anywhere else the 1850 boxes are being kept

But the point here, those boxes has top secret documents and what if guests go bathroom and find them there and read them that is top secret and end up telling enemies like russia, china, etc?

 

[Dodger12]

But the point here, those boxes has top secret documents and what if guests go bathroom and find them there and read them that is top secret and end up telling enemies like russia, china, etc?

You're getting there. Now go a step further.

Is it illegal to keep the documents in the bathroom? If so, was it illegal for Clinton to keep recordings in his sock drawer? Or Biden to keep documents in his garage? Or in China Town? Or anywhere else the 1850 boxes are being kept?

 

[Dodger12]

Every President has kept documents. Every. Single. One.

Biden has documents from when he was Senator and VP and had no right to keep those documents. Aren't you concerned that the documents kept in the Fraud's garage or in China Town may have fallen into the wrong hands through his drug addict son? And now there's some reporting that he and his family have taken bribes from foreign adversaries.

 

[Creeper]

But the point here, those boxes has top secret documents and what if guests go bathroom and find them there and read them that id top secret and end up telling enemies like russia, china, etc?

There is no dispute that Trump had classified documents and did not store them properly. But the same could be said of Biden's documents and Hillary's emails. In fact, hundreds of thousands of Hillary's email wound up on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, who did not have security clearance. But the issue is not whether these people mishandled classified information, it is the reaction of the DOJ to what they found.

Only Trump was asked to return all his documents. Only Trump was investigated. Only Trump endured an FBI raid on his home. And only Trump had a grand jury convened to investigate and indict him. There was never a grand jury in the Hillary Clinton case even though James Comey admitted, "statutes were probably violated". Comey also stated that her server was probably hacked by foreign governments.

A dispute over the retention of documents should have been a civil matter. If NARA wanted the documents back they should have sued Trump in civil court, not referred the case to the DOJ.

And, has anyone wondered why Biden's lawyers suddenly decided to search his home for classified documents? After 50 years of collecting classified documents he suddenly decided to self-search and turn them all over to authorities? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Obviously, Biden was tipped off by the DOJ. First to make sure he had no documents, then to turn them over immediately because the DOJ planned to indict Trump all along and needed Biden to come clean so they could argue Trump refused to turn them over while Biden turned them over when asked. But Biden had to know he had those documents for 50 years. Boxes of documents in the garage kind of stick out when you wax your Corvette, you know. But that alone is a violation of the law.

 

[InternetKing]

You're getting there. Now go a step further.

Is it illegal to keep the documents in the bathroom? If so, was it illegal for Clinton to keep recordings in his sock drawer? Or Biden to keep documents in his garage? Or in China Town? Or anywhere else the 1850 boxes are being kept?

yes it is because it is part of Espionage Act that Trump cant show documents to others like his secretary which got charged as well. who 1850 boxes? Trump's?

 

[Dodger12]

yes it is because it is part of Espionage Act that Trump cant show documents to others like his secretary which got charged as well. who 1850 boxes? Trump's?

You really can't believe that the Espionage Act was made for this type of incident? Think....think....think......and did he "show" the document or wave it around and/or refer to it? Yes, these distinctions matter when you're charging someone criminally for a BS crime.

Biden still has boxes of documents and no one knows how many. His attorney's have been scouring his properties to find them. All this was done in a coordinated effort to build in an excuse why he wasn't charged and Trump was (ie: Biden cooperated and Trump didn't). The problem with this is that Biden had all these documents while he was a Senator and VP and he wasn't entitled to them in any way. Bill Clinton had the same issue but he was allowed to keep his recordings as personal property. These disagreements over documents are civil, not criminal. Bottom line is that Trump is being charged for a crime/act that every prior President has been "guilty" of.

But people like you are too invested in your Trump Derangement Syndrome that you can't see the danger of a weaponized DoJ and a two tier system of justice. THAT is the greatest threat to democracy and stuff that we routinely see in Third World shitholes and totalitarian regimes where people jail their opposition. The absolute saddest result of all this is that the US has lost any moral high ground in the World Community and to half the US citizenry.

 

[dbair1967]

Stuff like this is exactly why I told the national R party I would never give them a fucking dime again.

This was an easy decision and something that was long overdue, and somehow 20 fucktarded "Republicans" decided against it.

This guy is a massively corrupt liar and a complete fucking Communist.

The List of RINOs Who Helped Adam Schiff Avoid Fine, Censure.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) had a plan to censure Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) for his role in perpetuating the Russia hoax, which ended up costing U.S.

thenationalpulse.com

 

[dbair1967]

The leader of the free world.

 

[Creeper]

You really can't believe that the Espionage Act was made for this type of incident? Think....think....think......and did he "show" the document or wave it around and/or refer to it? Yes, these distinctions matter when you're charging someone criminally for a BS crime.

Biden still has boxes of documents and no one knows how many. His attorney's have been scouring his properties to find them. All this was done in a coordinated effort to build in an excuse why he wasn't charged and Trump was (ie: Biden cooperated and Trump didn't). The problem with this is that Biden had all these documents while he was a Senator and VP and he wasn't entitled to them in any way. Bill Clinton had the same issue but he was allowed to keep his recordings as personal property. These disagreements over documents are civil, not criminal. Bottom line is that Trump is being charged for a crime/act that every prior President has been "guilty" of.

But people like you are too invested in your Trump Derangement Syndrome that you can't see the danger of a weaponized DoJ and a two tier system of justice. THAT is the greatest threat to democracy and stuff that we routinely see in Thrid World shitholes and totalitarian regimes where people jail their opposition. The absolute saddest result of all this is that the US has lost any moral high ground in the World Community and to half the US citizenry.

As I have stated, I have no doubt that Biden was tipped off by Garland to make sure he had no documents and to turn over what he had immediately. This was in preparation for the indictment of Trump. No way did his lawyers, after 7 years, just happen to find boxes of documents in one of Biden's offices.

The distinction Biden defenders, and Trump haters, are making is that Biden turned over his documents when he found them. But this is nonsense. First, Biden has had them for many years, some dating back to when he was a senator and took them from a SCIF - which is illegal in itself. Second, no one asked Biden for his documents, ever. The statute Trump is accused of violating speaks to "willful" unauthorized retention of classified documents. The claim is because Trump did not return them when asked he violated the statute, but the statute says nothing about being asked. Willful retention means knowing you have them and not returning them as required by law. How can anyone argue that Biden had no idea about the boxes of documents he had in his garage next to his Corvette for so many year. Some were moved multiple times. And the minute Biden walked out of the SCIF with classified documents he violated the law.

I am not excusing Trump's mishandling of classified documents. But clearly, as we have seen, this is common among elected officials in government.

And to your point about waving a classified document around, this is exactly right. The document is not classified. The information in the document is classified. Waving the document but not revealing its content is not revealing classified information. If it was, then the FBI violated the same law when they published that picture of classified documents strewn across the floor at Mar-a-Lago - which was actually staged.