'Slap her! Punch her hard!'

[superpunk]

Neither do you.

But, I suppose when you are all out for social justice the rules change and you can rightfully judge anyone because you are a self-righteous dickhole.

The logical consistency of one's ethical positions, however, is very easy to judge.

Being ok with slaughtering animals for food, but not for sport, but only for sport in special cases, except when the animals slaughtered for sport are commonly thought of as "pets", is logically inconsistent - or "hypocritical" in short.

It's ok to be hypocritical, but at least have the humility to cop to it rather than justify it. "I don't mind slaughtering cows because I like eating cows" is hypocritical, but it's at least true - whereas the flimsy justifications for why one is "right" while the other is "wrong" are just irrational nonsense.

 

[NoDak]

You don't see the difference between hitting a steer with a bolt, instantly killing it before butcher and working dogs into a frenzy, then watching them rip each other to shreds fighting? One animal is killed about as humanely as possible for the end result of food. The others are the ones being tortured and mistreated to drive the kill instinct. For sport and profit. You guys don't see the difference? Really?

Humans are omnivores. Meat is part of our diet. Should we only eat vegetation because some people feel bad about it? Are you guys arguing this point vegan?

 

[superpunk]

I hate vegans, but they are the only logically/ethically consistent ones. And even they can only be sooo consistent. It's just impossible. But the fact is humans can live without meat, rather easily in fact. So we have to admit that the only reason we keep eating it is because we enjoy it. In that vein, the end result is little different than dog fighting - both are done because individuals find them enjoyable.

One is more widely accepted because we consider it "humane". At the end of the day, the cow is just as dead as the dog.

If we had to kill animals to survive it would not be hypocritical. It might be uncomfortable, but we could justify it in it's necessity. We don't have to, so it is. It's not going to stop me from eating meat, it's just an interesting thought exercise - if you have the capacity for that sort of introspection without getting offended. Obviously (evidence: this thread) most people don't have that sort of capacity for abstract and complex thought.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

A billion living things are eaten every day, it's no big deal.

Dogs are off-limits because we like them a lot. We're in charge and that's the way it is. If fish were in charge we'd be eaten. Sp youre not a fish are you?

 

[superpunk]

Dogs are off-limits because we like them a lot.

That's my only point. Not that we should stop eating meat, just that I wish people in this thread particularly would be honest and admit the difference isn't all that big - we have no problem killing things. The only reason we have a problem with it is completely arbitrary. We've decided dogs are our pets and we love them. Any other explanation of why they are "different" is specious horseshit.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Why are we different than flies?

 

[Iamtdg]

I hate vegans, but they are the only logically/ethically consistent ones. And even they can only be sooo consistent. It's just impossible. But the fact is humans can live without meat, rather easily in fact. So we have to admit that the only reason we keep eating it is because we enjoy it. In that vein, the end result is little different than dog fighting - both are done because individuals find them enjoyable.

One is more widely accepted because we consider it "humane". At the end of the day, the cow is just as dead as the dog.

If we had to kill animals to survive it would not be hypocritical. It might be uncomfortable, but we could justify it in it's necessity. We don't have to, so it is. It's not going to stop me from eating meat, it's just an interesting thought exercise - if you have the capacity for that sort of introspection without getting offended. Obviously (evidence: this thread) most people don't have that sort of capacity for abstract and complex thought.

Do you eat meat? And if you aren't a vegan, are you vegetarian?

 

[Iamtdg]

That's my only point. Not that we should stop eating meat, just that I wish people in this thread particularly would be honest and admit the difference isn't all that big - we have no problem killing things. The only reason we have a problem with it is completely arbitrary. We've decided dogs are our pets and we love them. Any other explanation of why they are "different" is specious horseshit.

Actually, I don't think my taste buds would like the taste of dog. But, let me tell you, if dogs were the only meat left, then Lassie gets the ax.

 

[superpunk]

Do you eat meat? And if you aren't a vegan, are you vegetarian?

Can you read?

 

[Iamtdg]

Can you read?

So, you're arguing all of this just to say that you are just as hypocritical as everyone else?

Oh wait, this is a mental exercise and not trolling at all.

Troll on.

 

[Iamtdg]

Hay gaiz, the fact that people throw trash out of their cars is BULLSHIT!

~throws McDonalds cup out window~

 

[superpunk]

I guess the answer was no because in the post you quoted I answered all three of the questions you felt the need to ask after you (a) didn't read what I wrote or (b) couldn't understand it. I don't really care which it is.

 

[NoDak]

just that I wish people in this thread particularly would be honest and admit the difference isn't all that big.

I don't agree with this at all. A steer is killed quickly for the sole reason of providing food. A fighting dog is tortured to the point of insanity, then turned loose on another to inflict as much damage as possible, with both dogs being injured horribly. One or both might die, but both will suffer terribly for it. I don't understand how you or anyone else can even begin to think both are similar.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with it being dogs. I would not like it if pigs were tortured and forced to fight to the death. Or cattle. Or chickens. Or anything, for that matter.

 

[superpunk]

Maybe it would help you if you looked up the definition for 'similar' and contrasted that with the definition for 'same'. idk your results may vary

 

[jeebus]

You don't know what a buckstrap is. How do you think they get horses and bulls to buck like that?

And how on Earth do you know what a cattle prod feels like for a cow?

I would prefer to be neither; I just don't really buy the whole 'this form of torture is not as bad' argument.

And let's be clear, I am not saying rodeo's should be stopped. I am just saying that I would feel like a hypocrite being against animal fighting seeing that I am perfectly okay with slaughterhouses and rodeo's.

A buck strap frightens them and activates their impulse to kick the shit out of anything grabbing their love handles.

We are on the exact same page as far as animal fighting goes. I just ain't going to follow you in your attempt to make rodeo morally ambiguous (maybe to a fairry)

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Didn't think so

 

[superpunk]

millions of years of evolution

 

[Iamtdg]

Maybe it would help you if you looked up the definition for 'similar' and contrasted that with the definition for 'same'. idk your results may vary

You're missing the point. It's not similar. It's not even close to similar. The only thing that is similar is that their heart stops beating in both cases, but if that's your only similarity then people that get old and die of natural causes is a similar death to a young kid that gets beaten to death by it's parents.

 

[NoDak]

Maybe it would help you if you looked up the definition for 'similar' and contrasted that with the definition for 'same'. idk your results may vary

Getting past you thinking you're clever with your smartass retorts, it is exactly what you said.

the difference isn't all that big

Your words.

Similar

Word I used to describe it.

I said nothing about 'Same'.

 

[superpunk]

You're missing the point. It's not similar. It's not even close to similar. The only thing that is similar is that their heart stops beating in both cases, but if that's your only similarity then people that get old and die of natural causes is a similar death to a young kid that gets beaten to death by it's parents.

The thing that is similar is that we unnecessarily kill them. We aren't going out and picking up cows that died of natural causes to eat. Reeavaluate it with that in mind.