Sabin: Changes making Cowboys what Garrett feared - rudderless team

[Bob Sacamano]

Pimping another one of my draft pets here, but Robert Alford reminds me of Charles Tillman. And not just because both attended a small college in Louisiana.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

definitely not a fit as the 3 tech...melton can play the 3

Hatch Melton Richardson Ware

that Dline will be killer...

still need an offensive line for christs sake

i get the feeling we will take floyd over richardson

We aren't signing Melton.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

i bet you we do

 

[cmd34(work)]

Pimping another one of my draft pets here, but Robert Alford reminds me of Charles Tillman. And not just because both attended a small college in Louisiana.

what school ?

 

[cmd34(work)]

We aren't signing Melton.

I think we are going to make a serious run at him.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

i bet you guys this happens

crawford melton hatch ware

1st - cooper

book it

and i dont think thats good enough

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what school ?

Alford: Southeastern Louisiana

Tillman: Louisiana Lafayette

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think we are going to make a serious run at him.

Me too. I got sourcesput 2 and 2 together.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

eagles and saints moving to 3-4

good news..more 3 techs for us

 

[Sheik]

2012 draft was not good.

Moving up for Claiborne was expensive and now with the scheme we are going to, a shut down "Deion-type" (jury is still out on that one) is not as much a need.

Crawford looks like maybe he'll be a rotation player at LDE. Wilber got nothing but bad reviews. Johnson is made of glass. Coale was cut and available to all other teams on our practice squad. Hanna was a really good pick but I have zero faith in McSurdy. Our chief talent evaluator raved over UDFA Leary having a 3rd round grade and being the most ready to play O Linemen in the draft, yet he was alao available to the entire league (on our Practice Squad) and never played a down for a team who was ravaged by OL injuries.

Fool yourself all you want but we did not have a good draft last year. Early to call? Sure. I'm still calling it now, bad draft.

Exactly right.

 

[cmd34(work)]

eagles and saints moving to 3-4

good news..more 3 techs for us

Sedrick Ellis is a free agent. He is definitely a "Warren Sapp" type DT.

(yes, he's a Trojan)

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

what a bust that guy is....ill take him on the cheap

 

[bkeavs]

Mel Kiper regrading the 2012 draft
Dallas Cowboys






Round

Pick

Position

Player

College




(1)

6

CB

Morris Claiborne

LSU



(3)

81

DE

Tyrone Crawford

Boise State



(4)

113

LB

Kyle Wilber

Wake Forest



(4)

135

S

Matt Johnson

Eastern Washington



(5)

152

WR

Danny Coale

Virginia Tech



(6)

186

TE

James Hanna

Oklahoma



(7)

222

LB

Caleb McSurdy

Montana



Post-draft grade: C+



Summary: Despite getting a very good player in Morris Claiborne, this draft looks worse after a full season. You can't just say the trade up to get Claiborne at No. 6 was a brilliant move, because that's analyzing the pick in a vacuum. In terms of overall value, the Cowboys got Claiborne at the cost of a valuable second-round pick. So while the fact that Claiborne is a good one is a credit to Dallas, he also came at the cost of a pick that would likely turn into a starter. (Dallas has landed Bruce Carter, Sean Lee, Mike Jenkins, Anthony Fasano and Marcus Spears in Round 2 in recent years.) And beyond Claiborne, there isn't much here. Tyrone Crawford looks like a depth addition, and Kyle Wilber isn't a future starter. The one guy you might point to is James Hannah, who caught 8 passes and showed some upside down the stretch. But overall, the draft is about Claiborne, a very good player, but one who came at a cost. I just can't say there's anything here of significance beyond that selection.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

jenkins and spears werent 2nds kiper....

 

[Jon88]

I'm pretty sure we used wasted a 1st rounder on Mike Jenkins.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Kiper's point still stands.

Trading up and down is sign of a weak GM. Anyone can trade up for a top 7-8 talent. It takes no personal homework to figure who the consensus top players are at each position. The great GMs can stay put and still find gems bc they know what the fuck they're doing.

 

[Hoofbite]

..and the 2009 was devastating. Franchise crippling bad.

It's funny one of the guys Dallas could have had in the 2nd round is not a possible target for free agency.

There were like 4 quality OL taken after Dallas' pick they traded.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Kiper's point still stands.

Trading up and down is sign of a weak GM. Anyone can trade up for a top 7-8 talent. It takes no personal homework to figure who the consensus top players are at each position. The great GMs can stay put and still find gems bc they know what the fuck they're doing.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this shit, especially it coming from Kiper. I don't associate trading up or down with being a bad GM. One has nothing to do with the other. How many times have the Pats traded down and accumulated picks? Was trading up from #21 to #17, that netted Emmitt SMith, the sign of a bad GM?

 

[dbair1967]

Kiper's point still stands.

Trading up and down is sign of a weak GM. Anyone can trade up for a top 7-8 talent. It takes no personal homework to figure who the consensus top players are at each position. The great GMs can stay put and still find gems bc they know what the fuck they're doing.

Pretty stupid opinion dude.

One thing good GM's do is identify players that are great fits for their team and then go get them. Sometimes this requires moving around around. Jimmy was the master of this here.

The year we stood still and waited for Max Unger is a prime example. We really wanted him and knew several teams behind us wanted him too. We waited, and Seattle jumped over us to get him.

 

[cmd34(work)]

The year we stood still and waited for Max Unger is a prime example. We really wanted him and knew several teams behind us wanted him too. We waited, and Seattle jumped over us to get him.

The crappy part of this was, and to me, glaring proof of Jerry's ineptitude as GM, is we had no real backup plan. We scrambled so hard that we let the clock expire and got trade-raped by Buffalo when we traded down.