Ranking All PLAYER Trades Since the Beginning of Parcells Era

[dbair1967]

It was a fail because we turned around and spent a 3rd on a TE that turns out isn't any better than Fasano.

Edit for bold part: Or was it a 2nd?

Bennett is quite a bit better than Fasano, especially at blocking

If Bennett got the reps at the #1 TE spot than Fasano has in Miam, he'd grossly out produce him.

 

[Sheik]

Bennett is quite a bit better than Fasano, especially at blocking

If Bennett got the reps at the #1 TE spot than Fasano has in Miam, he'd grossly out produce him.

Bennett hasn't shown me anything since his rookie year.

I think it was an aweful trade. Calling it what it is, Miami got two starters, we got a 4th. Plus we burn a 2nd to replace one of the players(Fasano) production that we traded.

Looking back, why not release Akin and tell the Miami gang to F off? We keep Fasano to fill a role and draft for something besides depth in the second round.

That trade made/makes zero sense to me.

 

[Theebs]

if you read the article, it was a bad trade because they traded out of the fourth rounder that was ultimately used to select ss Tyvon Branch

thats fine. But we traded the pick and turned it into scandrick and choice. We traded two players for 1 pick, then turned the 1 pick into 2 players. I liked fasano, but getting choice and scandrick for ayodele and fasano is pretty good.

 

[Midswat]

thats fine. But we traded the pick and turned it into scandrick and choice. We traded two players for 1 pick, then turned the 1 pick into 2 players. I liked fasano, but getting choice and scandrick for ayodele and fasano is pretty good.

Really? I never realized that.

Impressive.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Spencer has to add to his sack total of 6 from last year. He needs to be that other force opposite Ware.

If we knew Clay Matthews was going to be the kind of player he is today, we might not of made that Roy Williams trade.

But let's face it we had a need at receiver more than we did at linebacker in 2008. Spencer has been okay but he hasn't played like a first round talent either.

If we did draft Matthews our starters would be Bryant and Austin today, but in 2008 we would of had Crayton and Austin as our starters. Not sure how that would of played out.

I know one thing our defense would of been better, but hey, that's how it turned out we have Jerry as our GM.

If everyone knew that Matthews would be the player that he is now, then he would be out of reach, that's if we subscribe to your line of thinking. Myself, I'm convinced that being in Capers' defense makes him better than he actually is. Not saying that he is bad by any stretch, actually, he's damn good. But let's give credit to Capers and maybe to the steroids, as well.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Bennett is quite a bit better than Fasano, especially at blocking

If Bennett got the reps at the #1 TE spot than Fasano has in Miam, he'd grossly out produce him.

Amen. People are still pissed over Bennett for his stupid youtube rants, that they cannot see reason.

 

[cmd34]

I thought I remember Jerry saying had we kept the pick (traded to Detroit for Roy) and the draft played out the way it did, the pick would have been Michael Oher.

 

[sbk92]

Fasano's been a nice player for Miami. He's definitely better than a mental midget like Bennett.

That was a horrific trade made by a fake General Manager.

 

[Sheik]

Fasano's been a nice player for Miami. He's definitely better than a mental midget like Bennett.

That was a horrific trade made by a fake General Manager.

You still mad about youtube videos or sumthin?

 

[Cr122]

If everyone knew that Matthews would be the player that he is now, then he would be out of reach, that's if we subscribe to your line of thinking. Myself, I'm convinced that being in Capers' defense makes him better than he actually is. Not saying that he is bad by any stretch, actually, he's damn good. But let's give credit to Capers and maybe to the steroids, as well.

Sure being in Caper's defense is a lot of the reason, but look at the rest of their defensive starters. They're are a talented group.

Hopefully, Spencer gets his head out of his ass and plays like a first rounder in Ryan's scheme.

 

[sbk92]

You still mad about youtube videos or sumthin?

It's just Cowboys fans spinning.

If they were Dolphins fans they'd be talking about how much better Fasano would be if he had a QB.

Bennett's got more talent. Fasano's the better player. I'd trade two Bennetts for him. You can't win with dumb players.

 

[Theebs]

Really? I never realized that.

Impressive.

Yeah its complicated but it goes like this.

Ayodele and Fasano to miami for Pick 100 in the 4th round.
100 is then traded to oakland for picks 104 and 213.
104 is traded to cleveland for 122 and 155
213 and 155 traded to jacksonville for pick 143

Pick 122 was used on Tashard Choice
Pick 143 was used on Orlando Scandrick.

and as a side note we traded our 4th 111 to cleveland for a 2009 3rd # 69 which became jason williams
the browns used 111 on martin rucker...who ended up on our team after being signed on 8/20/2010

 

[Theebs]

It's just Cowboys fans spinning.

If they were Dolphins fans they'd be talking about how much better Fasano would be if he had a QB.

Bennett's got more talent. Fasano's the better player. I'd trade two Bennetts for him. You can't win with dumb players.

In the end the team gained value out of that trade. We had signed zach thomas for ayodeles role and then added scandrick and choice with the pick.

I like fasano and I also like bennett. Fasano was a close friend of romo I dont think bennett likes romo all that much so there is probably a chemistry loss but I think there is a talent upgrade. I would have kept fasano personally but I can not fault the team for a trade that makes complete sense when all is said and done.

 

[sbk92]

In the end the team gained value out of that trade. We had signed zach thomas for ayodeles role and then added scandrick and choice with the pick.

I like fasano and I also like bennett. Fasano was a close friend of romo I dont think bennett likes romo all that much so there is probably a chemistry loss but I think there is a talent upgrade. I would have kept fasano personally but I can not fault the team for a trade that makes complete sense when all is said and done.

If it makes sense to you, I have to assume you don't know what the F you're talking about.

I don't care what we ended up with in trades after. I only care that they let 2 starting caliber players leave for a pittance. We could have gotten more.

If I trade Jay Ratliff for a 6th round pick and then end up using that 6th on a future hall of famer, did I make a good trade?

The answer is no. You could have, and should have gotten more for the player. Not that Ayodele or Fasano are as good as Ratliff, but that's besides the point. We gave away starters for relatively nothing because we have a joke oil salesman pretending he's an NFL GM.

 

[Theebs]

If it makes sense to you, I have to assume you don't know what the F you're talking about.

I don't care what we ended up with in trades after. I only care that they let 2 starting caliber players leave for a pittance. We could have gotten more.

If I trade Jay Ratliff for a 6th round pick and then end up using that 6th on a future hall of famer, did I make a good trade?

The answer is no. You could have, and should have gotten more for the player. Not that Ayodele or Fasano are as good as Ratliff, but that's besides the point. We gave away starters for relatively nothing because we have a joke oil salesman pretending he's an NFL GM.

the reality of the trade was that it was fasano for the 1st pick of the 4th round and the first pick of sunday morning. number 100. That is a valuable pick.

ayodele struggled through the whole season and the team had already replaced him with zach thomas in free agency and had burnett for the nickel and dime packages.

There were multiple reports of why the team soured on fasano, I dont know which one is true, he was an injury proned player or poor special teams player....either way they felt he didnt fit. I imagine this was endorsed by john and jason garrett and they were driving the bus. Its unreasonable to expect to get much back for a number 2 tight end who just had shoulder surgery.

The team did well with the pick they got back and also added zach thomas. I like fasano and would not have traded him and disliked the trade on that friday night when it was announced. But in retrospect they did well that weekend with what they turned that pick into. Its too bad jason williams was so poor. If he had worked out it would have turned out because of that trade we would have had scandrick, choice, williams and then ironically tucker.

 

[sbk92]

the reality of the trade was that it was fasano for the 1st pick of the 4th round and the first pick of sunday morning. number 100. That is a valuable pick.

Why is that the reality of the trade? Because you want it to be?

The actual reality, ya know...as in what actually happened, was the Cowboys gave Miami two starters for a 4th round pick. And in reality, that's bad value.

No GM worth their own salt would have made that deal. That only comes from the Jerry Joneses and Dan Snyders of the league.

What they ended up with after more trading is irrelevant to me. Because they still could have gotten those players though over trades. Or they could have gotten better players with the higher picks they should have gotten for the two starters they gave away.

 

[Theebs]

Why is that the reality of the trade? Because you want it to be?

The actual reality, ya know...as in what actually happened, was the Cowboys gave Miami two starters for a 4th round pick. And in reality, that's bad value.

No GM worth their own salt would have made that deal. That only comes from the Jerry Joneses and Dan Snyders of the league.

its the reality because ayodele was going to be released. Ayodele was no longer a starter, except to the dolphins who were a unique situation. It was jeff ireland and brian gaine who signed akin ayodele in march of 06 and now they run the dolphins. Paul pasqualoni knew the player and he knew the fundamentals of the Defense that would be played. So he was a fit there. Viewing ayodele as a starter is incorrect from the Dallas perspective and I imagine the list of teams he would have started on would be pretty short.

and spare me the dan snyder bit. Snyder never comes out on the better end of a trade. He usually trades picks like 5th rounders for james thrash that the eagles turn into Trent cole.

trades like this are not uncommon.
the cardinals got a 4 and a 3 for boldin and a 5......
moss was traded for a 4.
and on and on.

 

[Mr.Po]

The actual reality, ya know...as in what actually happened, was the Cowboys gave Miami two starters for a 4th round pick. And in reality, that's bad value.

Amen. And the biggest head scratcher is JJ genius turns right around and wastes another 2nd round pick on a TE after the trade. Not good business. I'll trade you 2$ for that new crisp 1$ bill theory doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Sheik]

Amen. And the biggest head scratcher is JJ genius turns right around and wastes another 2nd round pick on a TE after the trade. Not good business. I'll trade you 2$ for that new crisp 1$ bill theory doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's my problem with the trade.

I do see Theeb's point though, after all the dust settled, Dallas didn't end up in all that bad of shape.

Still doesn't change the fact that the original deal was terrible, imo.

 

[Cythim]

Ayodele wasn't a starter and wasn't a player Dallas needed on the roster. He was signed as a FA and traded away for a draft pick instead of being released. He played well in Miami but ended up getting cut when they no longer needed him either. He was a stop-gap player for both teams and not a long term player. Dallas received something for nothing by moving him.

Trading away Fasano for a 4th and getting another TE in the 2nd makes it a bad trade. Why give away a quality backup TE that fits well in the run blocking scheme so you can reach on another TE that is a playmaker just like the one you already have? I'll tell you why. Jerry could not sell Fasano jerseys but he did sell plenty of Bennett jerseys.