Orakpo on ESPN Snub: “I’m Gonna Kill the League Next Season”

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Cry me a river about the wind blowing shit. I'm just another fan who sees the truth side of it and not the homer side of it like yourself and others.

Orakpo is the better player overall, although, I'm not giving up entirely on Spencer yet. Maybe Ryan can get the best out of Spencer this year like he had a couple of years ago. Orakpo was the better pass rusher last year and Spencer had more tackles.

Their not that far off of each other but like I said I would take Orakpo anyday over Spencer. It's just my own opinion of the player. I don't feel that way about every player on our team just some like Bennett, Barber, Choice, and Spencer.

Ah put a sock in it, sock puppet. Seeing both sides and then being on both sides at the same time, so that you can be a homer and objective at the same time at least in your mind.

And no, Orakpo is NOT a better player overall. He's a better pass rusher and that's it. You really need to watch him. Being a better pass rusher does not make you a better overall player. Ware is the best OLB and better overall player because he excels in all 3 facets of the game at that position: pass rush, stopping the run, and in coverage. Orakpo is one dimensional. He might as well be a situational pass rusher.

And they are quite far off. Spencer is as good against the run and in coverage as Orakpo is a pass rusher. But for Madden-heads like you, stopping the run and dropping into coverage for an OLB is not sexy enough for you. Spencer is a better pass rusher than what Orakpo is against the run and coverage.

Orakpo is as overrated as Lavar Arrington. But at least Arrington was decent against the run.

 

[Cr122]

Ah put a sock in it, sock puppet. Seeing both sides and then being on both sides at the same time, so that you can be a homer and objective at the same time at least in your mind.

And no, Orakpo is NOT a bette rplayer overall. He's a better pass rusher and that's it. You really need to watch him. Being a better pass rusher does not make you a better overall player. Ware is the best OLB and better overall player because he excels in all 3 facets of the game at that position: pass rush, stopping the run, and in coverage. Orakpo is one dimensional. He might as well be a situational pass rusher.

And they are quite far off. Spencer is as good against the run and in coverage as Orakpo is a pass rusher. But for Madden-heads like you, stopping the run and dropping into coverage for an OLB is not sexy enough for you. Spencer is a better pass rusher than what Orakpo is against rthe run and coverage.

Orakpo is as overrated as Lavar Arrington. But at least Arrington was decent against the run.

Orakpo had 56 total tackles last year, and Spencer had 63 so I don't see the big difference like you do against the run.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Orakpo had 56 total tackles last year, and Spencer had 63 so I don't see the big difference like you do against the run.

. Just dumb. It's not just tackles. Because some of those tackles comes against WRs that caught a pass. Spencer, until last year was one of our leading players in tackles for losses, which is essentially a sack but against the ball-carrier and not the QB. Sometyiems they are known as stuffs. In addition to hi8s forced fumbles and PDs.

 

[Cr122]

. Just dumb. It's not just tackles. Because some of those tackles comes against WRs that caught a pass. Spencer, until last year was one of our leading players in tackles for losses, which is essentially a sack but against the ball-carrier and not the QB. Sometyiems they are known as stuffs. In addition to hi8s forced fumbles and PDs.

Well, I don't see where you can determine that Orakpo isn't good against the run then.

So consider this discussion over. Orakpo only had 1 FF last year, and Spencer had 2.

As far as sacks Orakpo had 8.5 with Spencer getting 5. I dunno.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Well, I don't see where you can determine that Orakpo isn't good against the run then.

So consider this discussion over. Orakpo only had 1 FF last year, and Spencer had 2.

As far as sacks Orakpo had 8.5 with Spencer getting 5. I dunno.

With Orakpo playing WOLB as opposed to SOLB, that Spencer plays. If Orakpo is getting only 8.5 sacks---which conincieds with Haynesworth not playing much, even though Orakpo was rushing the passer mroe than the previous year, he'd be getting about either the same or less sacks as an SOLB. And you can determine with tackles for losses, which is different from sacks in that it's the ball carrier.

 

[sbk92]

Once agian you don't know what the f -uck you are talking about because if you look at most 3-4 teams, the SOLB does not generate that many sacks. Spencer is tied for 4th in terms of sacks with SOLBs.

Yes. I don't know.

Who's the best 3-4 defense by a wide margin?

Pittsburgh.

Well looky here. James Harrison and LaMar Woodley.

And what's the talk in Baltimore right now? Gotta find a bookend for Suggs in the draft.

GFY.

 

[BangersandMash]

Clay went with the 26th pick in '09 he is great or very good imo.

Orakpo was picked with the 13th pick and I'd say he is good but the jury is still out.

The irony there is the Skins really liked Clay Matthews too and wanted to trade down to take him but when Rak unexpectedly fell to 13 they didn't even look for someone to trade down with. Hindsight is 20/20.

Rak's problem in the pros as opposed to college is he doesn't get to play against Phil Loadholt.

 

[sbk92]

Orakpo had 56 total tackles last year, and Spencer had 63 so I don't see the big difference like you do against the run.

Because there isn't one. That's the homer card to use when trying not to give Orakpo any credit.

Some people just can't admit when a rival has a good player.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Yes. I don't know.

Who's the best 3-4 defense by a wide margin?

Pittsburgh.

Well looky here. James Harrison and LaMar Woodley.

And what's the talk in Baltimore right now? Gotta find a bookend for Suggs in the draft.

GFY.

Two examples. So one more tiem you don't know what the f uck youa re talking about.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The real thought behind the 3-4 is to produce a blitzer from any angle and disguising the 4th rusher. It's not just to have 2 pass-rushing OLBs. Obviously like Laz said, one of them, actually both need to be stout against the run, because if the linemen are occupying blockers and the OLBs aren't holding it down on their end, your D will get tore up.

So while Laz is wrong about Orakaho, he still makes a valid point.

 

[BangersandMash]

Two examples. So one more tiem you don't know what the f uck youa re talking about.

Clay Matthews is technically a B. Cam Wake, Shaun Phillips, Bryan Thomas. Plus, OLB's are moved around a lot so playing B shouldn't be an excuse for not having sacks. Spencer isn't a bad player but his 4 sacks aren't a result of him being asked to contain gaps on passing downs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Clay Matthews is technically a B. Cam Wake, Shaun Phillips, Bryan Thomas. Plus, OLB's are moved around a lot so playing B shouldn't be an excuse for not having sacks. Spencer isn't a bad player but his 4 sacks aren't a result of him being asked to contain gaps on passing downs.

hehe

 

[sbk92]

Two examples. So one more tiem you don't know what the f uck youa re talking about.

I'm giving you the best 3-4 defenses in football.

The scheme was born with the idea of confusing offensive lines. You don't do that with one player capable of getting to the QB.

The day the Cowboys find a real pass rush threat opposite of DeMarcus Ware is the day this defense takes a step up in class.

 

[sbk92]

Would I trade Spencer for Orakpo?

Uh, I couldn't do it quick enough, to be honest.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd trade Spencer for Orakapo and throw in Dez Bryant to make sure, in a nanomillisecond.

 

[BangersandMash]

hehe

Mike Vrabel was also a B when he was in his prime with New England. Same for Jason Gildon and remember Greg Ellis had a very good season playing B.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Because there isn't one. That's the homer card to use when trying not to give Orakpo any credit.

Some people just can't admit when a rival has a good player.

Has nothing to do with homerism, but you are the exrtreme opposite of a homer---which is just as bad, because you are under the foolish notion that it makes you objective. Orakpo whips up on Barron, therefore according to you he's good.


Free dominates Orakpo in every meeting between them and yet according to you, Free is a piece of shat. Orakpo only nets 1/23 sack against the division, but Free only gives up one sack to the divison---cosnidering the prolific pass rushers in the division, but he's a piece of shat.


If Orakpo is so good, then no way should he be getting dominated by a piece of shat player like Free, correct?


You forever talk out of your ass.

 

[sbk92]

Has nothing to do with homerism, but you are the exrtreme opposite of a homer---which is just as bad, because you are under the foolish notion that it makes you objective. Orakpo whips up on Barron, therefore according to you he's good.


Free dominates Orakpo in every meeting between them and yet according to you, Free is a piece of shat. Orakpo only nets 1/23 sack against the division, but Free only gives up one sack to the divison---cosnidering the prolific pass rushers in the division, but he's a piece of shat.


If Orakpo is so good, then no way should he be getting dominated by a piece of shat player like Free, correct?


You forever talk out of your ass.

I've never seen Orakpo get dominated by Doug Free.

And you haven't either.

You're flinging food from the kid's table, bubba.

 

[sbk92]

It's not that hard. Say it with me - The Redskins have a nice player in Brian Orakpo.

Doesn't mean anything more than that. He's a good player who could help us here.

Spencer's decent but he just doesn't get to the QB enough to be a starting OLB in a 3-4. Either he changes that this year or he plays somewhere else in 2012.

 

[BangersandMash]

Has nothing to do with homerism, but you are the exrtreme opposite of a homer---which is just as bad, because you are under the foolish notion that it makes you objective. Orakpo whips up on Barron, therefore according to you he's good.


Free dominates Orakpo in every meeting between them and yet according to you, Free is a piece of shat. Orakpo only nets 1/23 sack against the division, but Free only gives up one sack to the divison---cosnidering the prolific pass rushers in the division, but he's a piece of shat.


If Orakpo is so good, then no way should he be getting dominated by a piece of shat player like Free, correct?


You forever talk out of your ass.

Why are we getting away from Spencer doesn't get sacks because B's aren't relied on to rush the passer?