NFL.com writer: Five of top six Cowboys draft busts picked during Jerry Jones era

[sbk92]

You dont think the draft is part luck? Really? Are you this blatantly stupid?

No. I don't think when you can preside over 9 drafts, that "bad luck" can make you fail.

I'll chalk that up as another completely asinine defense of yours for this team.

 

[sbk92]

if he ripped the pick after the fact, its further proof of what a stupid ass Kiper is then, because Kiper loved the guy before the draft. I have all his guides from about 1991-2003 or so, so I can go back and find exactly what he said about him.

You do that.

Kiper gave us a shat grade that year. He didn't like the pick.

 

[dbair1967]

You do that.

Kiper gave us a shat grade that year. He didn't like the pick.

I dont care what grade he gave us, he liked the player before the draft. In his guide, he has Carver rated the 3rd best DE behind Sam Adams and Henry Ford (and ahead of Willie McGinest). His grade on Carver was a 9.1, which put him tied for 24th overall as BPA in his rating.

He says "one of my favorite players in the draft due primarily to his relentless style and focused approach. He's self motivated, productive and extremely durable which is critical when evaluating a player who doesnt fit the desired physical parameters"

He also noted that "Carver couldnt be blocked at the college level, presenting a package of athletic skills, quickness, determination and overall technique that overwhelmed Pac 10 OT's" "he was the most consistent defensive player in the country"

Like I said, Mel loved the guy. That is until we drafted him.

 

[sbk92]

I'll have to dig up the book.

It's pointless anyway. It was a bad pick, no matter who liked it initially.

Rowdy.

 

[dbair1967]

I'll have to dig up the book.

It's pointless anyway. It was a bad pick, no matter who liked it initially.

Rowdy.

The guy you worship had him rated as a 1st rd pick. The 24th best player in that draft. Which is where we ended up drafting him by the way.

You dig up the book, I just quoted directly from it. After reading it, maybe you'll remove your head from your ass about some stuff.

 

[sbk92]

The guy you worship had him rated as a 1st rd pick. The 24th best player in that draft. Which is where we ended up drafting him by the way.

You dig up the book, I just quoted directly from it. After reading it, maybe you'll remove your head from your ass about some stuff.

I don't worship anyone. I respect his opinion. I can write a book on the players he's been wrong on.

You won't steer the debate away from Jerry's failure into whether Kiper liked the player at the time. It's completely irrelevant. The player sucked. The pick sucked. Because the GM sucked.

 

[sbk92]

Hey, who knows.....with a little damn luck, Jerry might have built a dynasty.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't worship anyone. I respect his opinion. I can write a book on the players he's been wrong on.

You won't steer the debate away from Jerry's failure into whether Kiper liked the player at the time. It's completely irrelevant. The player sucked. The pick sucked. Because the GM sucked.

The GM didnt make the guy become an alcoholic, which is why he never turned into a consistent NFL player.

Carver wasnt overdrafted, he went right about where he was supposed to go. At that particular time pass rushing DE was a fairly critical need for us, as Charles Haley was coming off back to back seasons struggling with back injuries and Carver was one of the higher regarded pass rushing DE's in the draft.

Was he ultimately a bust? Yes he was. Was he a bad pick at the time it was made, no.

 

[sbk92]

The GM didnt make the guy become an alcoholic, which is why he never turned into a consistent NFL player.

Carver wasnt overdrafted, he went right about where he was supposed to go. At that particular time pass rushing DE was a fairly critical need for us, as Charles Haley was coming off back to back seasons struggling with back injuries and Carver was one of the higher regarded pass rushing DE's in the draft.

Was he ultimately a bust? Yes he was. Was he a bad pick at the time it was made, no.

He was a terrible pick. The pick was panned at the time. People questioned his heart, how much he loved football and they were right.

But I'm not concerned with what the opinion was at the time. I'm interested in the results. GMs are held to that standard in sane football cities.

Shante Carver was another horrific draft pick from the worst GM I've ever seen in any sport.

 

[dbair1967]

He was a terrible pick. The pick was panned at the time. People questioned his heart, how much he loved football and they were right.

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Kiper didnt.

 

[sbk92]

Kiper didnt.

Yes he did.

But the pick was a bad one regardless.

 

[sbk92]

Let me state it again. The Shante Carver selection was another poor decision from a fake GM.

The entire NFL world minus this dipshat agrees.

 

[dbair1967]

Yes he did.

But the pick was a bad one regardless.

I just quoted what he said about the guy. He didnt say that, in fact he says just the opposite. Can you not read?

It was bad because in the end, he didnt pan out. At the time the pick was made, he was not a bad pick.

 

[dbair1967]

Let me state it again. The Shante Carver selection was another poor decision from a fake GM.

The entire NFL world minus this dipshat agrees.

Let me ask you something, if the Cowboys had spent a 1st rd pick on Tony Romo in 2003, would you have liked that pick at the time? Or would you have typed post after post about how dumb a decision it was to draft a guy almost everyone had a free agent grade on in the first rd?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you 2 are funny.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

I remember in Boys will be Boys, when Shante Carver showed up in camp, even the other players knew he would be a bust. They ragged on him for having no heart, and never hustling.

 

[sbk92]

Let me ask you something, if the Cowboys had spent a 1st rd pick on Tony Romo in 2003, would you have liked that pick at the time? Or would you have typed post after post about how dumb a decision it was to draft a guy almost everyone had a free agent grade on in the first rd?

It would have been a bad pick because you used a 1st round pick on a player you could have had much later. Nobody was taking Tony Romo in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Everybody knew it. If you had some inside info on him, target him later and get another top talent with your first round pick.

That's value, Rowdy.

But this pales in comparison to the awful selection of Shante Carver. One of many from the worst GM in sports.

 

[sbk92]

Shante Carver was a cancer. Nobody expected him to have success here. Nobody was surprised when he went el busto.

 

[dbair1967]

It would have been a bad pick because you used a 1st round pick on a player you could have had much later. Nobody was taking Tony Romo in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Everybody knew it. If you had some inside info on him, target him later and get another top talent with your first round pick.

That's value, Rowdy.

But this pales in comparison to the awful selection of Shante Carver. One of many from the worst GM in sports.

You cant have it both ways. Romo turned out to be a probowl calibar QB. Pro Bowl QB's are easily worth using first rd picks on. Would you not agree?

The bolded statement is part of my argument. Were alot of the players drafted by Jones ultimately "bad" players? Yes. But alot of those guys WERE drafted where (or close to where) they were supposed to go. Carver wasnt universally regarded as a middle round pick or free agent type player, everybody had him rated fairly high. The only exception I know of is Ron Wolf, and his comments about Carver were years after the fact. So there's no way of knowing if its really what he thought at the time of the draft or not, we just have to take his word for it.

Alot of the drafts were bad or poorly run. 1995, 1996, 2000 and 2001 were all horrendously run and executed. But Carver was worthy of where he was picked (coming out). So was David LaFleur. So were Greg Ellis and Ebenezer Ekuban. So was Roy Williams.

 

[cmd34]

A guy I went to high school with was an intern in 1994 for the 49ers (the team that traded us the pick we took Shante Carver with. Yes, we actually traded up to get him). He is also a Cowboys fan. He said that when the 49ers scouts and coaches asked who did the Cowboys plan to take with the pick they just traded for, Carmen Policy said Shante Carver, and the room broke out in laughter. He claims the 49ers had a 4th round grade on Carver.

I wasn't there but this guy, who has coached college football and worked as a NFL scout, has never been wrong about any inside info he has given me.

Carver was an awful pick and Jerry was (and still is) clearly in over his head as a NFL GM. There are a lot of 1st round busts throughout the history of the draft but not many were out of the league as fast as Carver was.