More Jeep Lies: Or, how Romney is trying to lose Ohio

[Sheik]

This is a give up answer that suggests you have the same understanding of burden of proof that Bach has.

Your claim.

You prove it.

i can't get into this right now, I promise I'll post on this when I'm not driving.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That dude's fucking closing revealed that he has no point.



So the author has no fucking idea how they define or account for likely voters but that won't stop him from barking out the republican "they're using 2008 models" talking point.

As soon as I saw that the source was a blog, I could guess what was coming. They are used to getting their news from a GOP strategist so this is old hat for them.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Try Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, the Economist, and the Christian Science Monitor. I don't watch much TV much less TV news but if I do I watch CBS and only then because I knew the man that ran the Middle East Bureau a decade ago.

I don't fit into your box of a worldview, pumpkin. I reject all of your paradigms.

Good for you. But I know SP does.

And FYI, I normally watch ABC's 6:30 national news. Also watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX. Read multiple sites and newspapers online as well. But I know the "you may want to watch something other than FoxNews" is a fun little line to use.

 

[superpunk]

I get all my news from the Daily Show and Sesame Street.

And somehow I still am more educated than every Republican on here.

 

[VA Cowboy]

....Except for the DailyKos and other liberal biased articles you constantly post.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good for you. But I know SP does.

And FYI, I normally watch ABC's 6:30 national news. Also watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX. Read multiple sites and newspapers online as well. But I know the "you may want to watch something other than FoxNews" is a fun little line to use.

I find all cable news to be reprehensible. It's like getting your music taste from Billboard. I say what i say because you parrot a narrative and it's obvious. You eat the programming and I have to ask how much MSNBC for example have you watched in the last month?

 

[superpunk]

Right how dare I share news articles from huge national papers like the times, the post, whatever detroit's paper is called...

 

[VA Cowboy]

I find all cable news to be reprehensible. It's like getting your music taste from Billboard. I say what i say because you parrot a narrative and it's obvious. You eat the programming and how much MSNBC for example have you watched in the last month?

What I say doesn't parrot the liberal talking points so it must be "he only watches FoxNews". As for MSNBC, I watch enough to see how full of shat they are. But my primary nightly news is ABC. I watch about equal amounts of CNN and FoxNews.

It's incredibly interesting watching how liberally slanted and even openly leftist biased most of the msm is though. It is good that FoxNews is around so that there's at least one network not totally in the pocket of the left and the Democrats.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Right how dare I share news articles from huge national papers like the times, the post, whatever detroit's paper is called...

The liberal NYT's and Washington Post...yep. Along with the radical leftist DailyKos and other ilk like that.

 

[superpunk]

There is bias in every news outlet. Every one. Until our news starts being compiled and distributed by robots there will continue to be bias. It's flat out idiotic to think otherwise. The best you can do is understand where the bias is and check out multiple angles to make sure you are getting as complete a picture as possible. There is nothing wrong with Fox News, unless that remains your only source, because then myopia sets in and you get retarded. Same with MSNBC or whatever.

But by all means continue your irrelevant dick measuring contest on who reads the best websites.

It doesn't fucking matter. The fallacious way you people argue makes it obvious why you are voting for Romney.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What I say doesn't parrot the liberal talking points so it must be "he only watches FoxNews". As for MSNBC, I watch enough to see how full of shat they are. But my primary nightly news is ABC. I watch about equal amounts of CNN and FoxNews.

It's incredibly interesting watching how liberally slanted and even openly leftist biased most of the msm is though. It is good that FoxNews is around so that there's at least one network not totally in the pocket of the left and the Democrats.

No, my roommate watches Fox so i get a nice dose of the narrative. It has nothing to do with the what you don't agree with and everything to do with what i am reading from your posts. As for the last, that hilarious. are you familiar with Roger Ailes history?

lol not totally

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is bias in every news outlet. Every one. Until our news starts being compiled and distributed by robots there will continue to be bias. It's flat out idiotic to think otherwise. The best you can do is understand where the bias is and check out multiple angles to make sure you are getting as complete a picture as possible. There is nothing wrong with Fox News, unless that remains your only source, because then myopia sets in and you get retarded. Same with MSNBC or whatever.

But by all means continue your irrelevant dick measuring contest on who reads the best websites.

It doesn't fucking matter. The fallacious way you people argue makes it obvious why you are voting for Romney.

Credibility of source is not a fallacy.

 

[superpunk]

Trying to discredit everything someone says with "u watch fox news" or "u are liberal talking points" is - a fucking red herring. Instead of having an argument about their stance or their information suddenly you are arguing about where they got the information from. Which is largely irrelevant. Even if it is a "source" that is wrong 90% of the time you are better served by arguing against their position than saying "oh you got that from fox news? let me discount that entirely and then mock you for watching it".

Pointless. Argue the point (which has been completely lost at this point in the source dick-measuring contest) or shut up.

someone make me the moderator of this forum already

 

[superpunk]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — Joe Biden and Bill Clinton delivered a tag-team smack down of Mitt Romney on Monday, taking the Republican presidential nominee to task for a new television ad that they say misrepresents his position on the auto industry bailout and misleads voters about Chrysler’s auto production.

“This guy … pirouettes more than a ballerina,” Biden said at a rally here. “Ladies and gentlemen, have they no shame? … It’s an absolutely, patently false assertion.”

Democrats have been howling for days about Romney’s claim at a recent Ohio event that Jeep was “thinking of moving all production to China.” The statement was followed by a new paid advertisement in which the Romney campaign says he has a plan to help the auto industry and that the Obama administration “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.”

The task fell to Clinton and Biden to amplify the Democrats’ response to Romney’s claim, at a rally in the heart of Ohio’s manufacturing-heavy Mahoning Valley. And each used characteristically blunt terms to do so.

The vice president said Romney’s claim was “bizarre,” and the latest sign the former Massachusetts governor will “say anything, absolutely anything, to win.”

Clinton, who addressed the crowd before Biden, said he had spoken about Romney’s claim Monday morning with President Obama, before the president returned to Washington after scrapping plans to participate in a joint rally in Orlando, Fla.

Obama told Clinton that it was the first ad that “hurt my feelings,” because the first new car he ever owned was a Jeep.

“Now it turns out, Jeep is reopening in China because they've made so much money here, they can afford to do it and they are going on with their plans here,” Clinton said. And he paraphrased a statement from Jeep parent company Chrysler, dubbing Romney’s ad “the biggest load of bull in the world.”

Love how they're using Joe now lol.

He can say pretty much anything he wants because he has this buffoonish character out there and everyone's like "Ahhh that's just Joe being Joe" so he can be blunter than the President can in calling these idiots out.

Meanwhile Romney still on audio lockdown.

 

[VA Cowboy]

He can say pretty much anything he wants because he has this buffoonish character out there and everyone's like "Ahhh that's just Joe being Joe" so he can be blunter than the President can in calling these idiots out.

Yep, more media bias. If Joe were a Republican they would be slamming him as the ****** that he is. Instead, it's "just Joe".

 

[superpunk]

Are you retarded or can you not remember anything outside of "must slam mainstream media for their bias"?

They've slammed him for years. Which is how he got this persona. And it's paying off right now Mr. Bitterman.

 

[superpunk]

Mitt Romney is desperate to convince Ohio voters that he's the candidate most committed to the U.S. auto industry -- no matter how much confusion he must sow to do it.

Last week, Romney recklessly told a large audience in Defiance that he'd read that Chrysler's Italian owners -- that would be Fiat, which has controlled the American automaker since 2009 -- were planning to move all Jeep production to China. The Republican presidential nominee's statement predictably drew groans in Northwest Ohio, where the auto industry is critical to prosperity. He pledged to keep American jobs in America, if elected.

But apparently Romney had been reading a blogger who misunderstood reports that Chrysler was looking to again make some Jeeps in China for that expanding market. The news is a sign of Chrysler's health, not of some sinister intentions by its management. The company is investing $500 million and hiring 1,100 workers at its Toledo Jeep plant. The day Romney misspoke, Chrysler announced plans to add 1,100 employees in Detroit, too. A company spokesman called any suggestion that Chrysler is abandoning its U.S. plants "a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats."

Ah, but not for a presidential candidate who needs a wedge in auto-dependent Ohio. Romney is now running an ad that reinforces the erroneous perception he laid out in Defiance, but in language that is technically true: "Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China."

In one sentence, Romney presses hot buttons about bankruptcy -- though he, too, favored that route, albeit without direct federal investment -- foreigners and outsourcing. It's a masterpiece of misdirection.

The Romney campaign clearly is being hurt by the fact that Chrysler and GM were saved by the decisions of President Barack Obama. So Romney and his surrogates claim that Obama essentially followed their blueprint for the rescue or that it really wasn't a good deal -- because some plants and dealerships closed -- or, now, that the wolf is back at the door.

It won't work. Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss -- and it wasn't Romney.

From the ultra liberal Cleveland Plain Dealer. Just getting that out of the way first.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Are you retarded or can you not remember anything outside of "must slam mainstream media for their bias"?

They've slammed him for years. Which is how he got this persona. And it's paying off right now Mr. Bitterman.

No they haven't slammed him for years. They've just said "oh it's just Joe" and give him a pass.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Obama stepped up to bail out his union buddies and supporters and buy more votes in the future. The end.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, my roommate watches Fox so i get a nice dose of the narrative. It has nothing to do with the what you don't agree with and everything to do with what i am reading from your posts. As for the last, that hilarious. are you familiar with Roger Ailes history?

lol not totally

Your roommate? You mean your father?