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Well really anything past #15 and you aren't going to get a tackle who can step right in start the season.

Too broad a brush, Mikey.

You can find immediate starters in the backend of the 1st round or even the top of the 2nd. Michael Oher started last year and he was excellent.

It's just that teams drafting at the top usually are in a position to start a rookie on the line rather than a team more talented with expectations the next year. They're more likely to sit a rookie for a year.


I agree with SBK, that you take the best available prospect, but it has to be a position of need if you're going to spend that kind of cash on a first round pick.

I couldn't disagree more. Especially with a 1st round pick. I don't care what position they play, if that player is the consensus clear cut top prospect on the board, and there isn't a trade available that bring you more value, make that pick. You acquire talent in the draft. You fill needs in free agency.

Dez Bryant wasn't a need. We had much bigger problems along every position on the offensive line, at safety, ILB, even the defensive line. But you don't turn down top talent like that.

We did the same with Felix. Not a huge need. We did it again with Choice. Certainly not a need. That's how you have quality draft classes.
 

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At least a majority, if not all of us, get that there is a problem along the offensive line. As I check out other forums and read peoples thoughts, most are taking the "Wait and see" approach. I'm also reading that there was A LOT of turnover on the line this offseason.

Flozell is gone, wut else?

When homers are taking a wait and see approach, you know the situation is bad.
 

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Too broad a brush, Mikey.

You can find immediate starters in the backend of the 1st round or even the top of the 2nd. Michael Oher started last year and he was excellent.

It's just that teams drafting at the top usually are in a position to start a rookie on the line rather than a team more talented with expectations the next year. They're more likely to sit a rookie for a year.




I couldn't disagree more. Especially with a 1st round pick. I don't care what position they play, if that player is the consensus clear cut top prospect on the board, and there isn't a trade available that bring you more value, make that pick. You acquire talent in the draft. You fill needs in free agency.

Dez Bryant wasn't a need. We had much bigger problems along every position on the offensive line, at safety, ILB, even the defensive line. But you don't turn down top talent like that.

We did the same with Felix. Not a huge need. We did it again with Choice. Certainly not a need. That's how you have quality draft classes.

I think you would get some debate on if WR was a need or not given the list of characters at the position.

Choice was a 4th rounder. Outside of the first round I agree with you.
 

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I think you would get some debate on if WR was a need or not given the list of characters at the position.

Choice was a 4th rounder. Outside of the first round I agree with you.

You're going to tell me with Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton already on the roster that WR was anywhere near as big a need as OT, OG, C, FS, ILB, DE and/or NT?

Cmon.
 

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You're going to tell me with Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton already on the roster that WR was anywhere near as big a need as OT, OG, C, FS, ILB, DE and/or NT?

Cmon.

I think guard was more a need than OT or C. I think ILB was a need but there wasn't anyone there. DE & NT more of a need than WR? I don't think so. I think the team would have considered a FS if, like ILB, there was one there they liked.

Crayton's old and not capable of being a #1 or #2. Been there, done that. He's not good enough.

Austin did it for part of a season. String together a couple good seasons and then we can talk.

Roy Williams? You think Roy was the answer at the other WR spot? Ouch.

Yeah, I'd say WR was a need.
 

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I think guard was more a need than OT or C. I think ILB was a need but there wasn't anyone there. DE & NT more of a need than WR? I don't think so. I think the team would have considered a FS if, like ILB, there was one there they liked.

Crayton's old and not capable of being a #1 or #2. Been there, done that. He's not good enough.

Austin did it for part of a season. String together a couple good seasons and then we can talk.

Roy Williams? You think Roy was the answer at the other WR spot? Ouch.

Yeah, I'd say WR was a need.

Patrick Crayton and Kevin Ogletree were far better backups than we had at any of the DL positions.

G more of a need than T? At least we have Leonard Davis there. At T we have nothing. A beaten down overrated Colombo and a journeyman Doug Free. That's in better shape than WR?

Even your own GM said he was fine with WR going into the draft and nobody was stressing this giant need in their mocks.

Dez Bryant wasn't a need pick. That was all about value.
 

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Mike, answer me this....

If the Cowboys had to start Patrick Crayton at WR or Junior Saivii at NT, which one would most negatively impact the team?
 

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Patrick Crayton and Kevin Ogletree were far better backups than we had at any of the DL positions.

G more of a need than T? At least we have Leonard Davis there. At T we have nothing. A beaten down overrated Colombo and a journeyman Doug Free. That's in better shape than WR?

Even your own GM said he was fine with WR going into the draft and nobody was stressing this giant need in their mocks.

Dez Bryant wasn't a need pick. That was all about value.


How is Doug Free a journeyman? He was drafted by the Cowboys and has played for no other team but the Cowboys.
 

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How is Doug Free a journeyman? He was drafted by the Cowboys and has played for no other team but the Cowboys.

Because that's his ability.

Yes, I am telling you right now the future of that player. You can either accept it and be right or continue down this moron path you got going on.

Doug Free is a franchise LT on a really bad team.
 

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Mike, answer me this....

If the Cowboys had to start Patrick Crayton at WR or Junior Saivii at NT, which one would most negatively impact the team?

I've seen Crayton as a #2 and he's not that good at it. Saivii? Good for a few plays but not starting material either. Both positions have issues but Dez was the better value than any NT available at the spot.
 

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I've seen Crayton as a #2 and he's not that good at it. Saivii? Good for a few plays but not starting material either. Both positions have issues but Dez was the better value than any NT available at the spot.

You're dancing around the correct answer.

Siavii is a fringe player lucky to be in the league. Hell, he was out of it for years. Crayton is a legitimate top 3 WR. You can't compare the two.

I agree Bryant was the best value, and that's why he was selected. The Cowboys didn't force a need pick. They took Dez despite already having a nice depth chart at WR. They've even decided to move one now because of that depth. Doesn't sound like a need position to me.
 

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Because that's his ability.

Yes, I am telling you right now the future of that player. You can either accept it and be right or continue down this moron path you got going on.

Doug Free is a franchise LT on a really bad team.



Is your pussy really hurting that bad?
 

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You're dancing around the correct answer.

Siavii is a fringe player lucky to be in the league. Hell, he was out of it for years. Crayton is a legitimate top 3 WR. You can't compare the two.

I agree Bryant was the best value, and that's why he was selected. The Cowboys didn't force a need pick. They took Dez despite already having a nice depth chart at WR. They've even decided to move one now because of that depth. Doesn't sound like a need position to me.

Was it the top need?

No.

But was it a greater need than Corner, RB, QB, TE, OLB.

Yeah.

It represented a good value between the two.
 
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