MLB Thread

[RoyTheHammer]

Problem baseball has is that even teams that win (Marlins) can have trouble bringing fans in.

The Marlins have lost something like 17 of their last 18 games and their manager just up and quit out of nowhere.

 

[Cythim]

The Marlins have lost something like 17 of their last 18 games and their manager just up and quit out of nowhere.

He is pointing to the fact that even when they were winning the World Series the team didn't draw well. They have been bottom of the league in attendance for the last decade, despite having won the WS in 2003 and being active in the hunt for the wild card in most seasons.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He is pointing to the fact that even when they were winning the World Series the team didn't draw well. They have been bottom of the league in attendance for the last decade, despite having won the WS in 2003 and being active in the hunt for the wild card in most seasons.

In the last 19 years, they've finished more than 4 games over .500 only 4 times.. and they've finished less than 6 games back 0 times. They've finished 3rd or worse in the division 16 out of the last 19 years.

But yea.. they've been right there every year. lol

 

[Cythim]

You really are stupid. I said in the last decade and I said active in the Wild Card hunt. You are looking at the final standings when I wasn't talking about the final standings. In 6 of the last 10 seasons they have been in contention for the Wild Card.


2009 - 5 games out (4 game out entering Sept.)
2008 - 5 games out (3 games out entering Aug.)
2006 - 10 games out (2 games out entering Sept.)
2005 - 6 games out (1.5 games out entering Sept.)
2004 - 9 games out (3 games out entering Sept.)
2003 - WC winner

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You really are stupid. I said in the last decade and I said active in the Wild Card hunt. You are looking at the final standings when I wasn't talking about the final standings. In 6 of the last 10 seasons they have been in contention for the Wild Card.


2009 - 5 games out (4 game out entering Sept.)
2008 - 5 games out (3 games out entering Aug.)
2006 - 10 games out (2 games out entering Sept.)
2005 - 6 games out (1.5 games out entering Sept.)
2004 - 9 games out (3 games out entering Sept.)
2003 - WC winner

Does that fact that they were borderline in the wild card hunt some years make up for the fact that they have only been more than 4 games over .500 4 times in the last 19 years?

No.. it doesn't. The point Rock made was that they win.. and as i've shown they don't. I couldn't care less what you're input was, as you never have a clue what you're talking about anyway. Moving on..

They don't win.. that's why the fans don't come out.

 

[Cythim]

Does that fact that they were borderline in the wild card hunt some years make up for the fact that they have only been more than 4 games over .500 4 times in the last 19 years?

No.. it doesn't. The point Rock made was that they win.. and as i've shown they don't. I couldn't care less what you're input was, as you never have a clue what you're talking about anyway. Moving on..

They don't win.. that's why the fans don't come out.

Once again you show that you know absolutely nothing about what is being discussed here. Rock mentioned the Marlins because they have won two World Series recently and are consistantly in the WC hunt while other teams, such as the Rockies, Mariners, or Diamondbacks, draw better with less recent success.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Once again you show that you know absolutely nothing about what is being discussed here. Rock mentioned the Marlins because they have won two World Series recently and are consistantly in the WC hunt while other teams, such as the Rockies, Mariners, or Diamondbacks, draw better with less recent success.

Rock's quote was "even teams that win (marlins) don't get attendance"

..and as i've shown the Marlins haven't won consistently in decades and are not a top team. /discussion.

Or you can keep it going with your insults and nonsense.. truth is though you're just a douchebag who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Cythim]

You starting arguing with Rock, I was just defending his position because you clearly misunderstood him. He never called the Marlins a top team or said they won consistently. He said they win, as in two recent World Series titles.

/discussion.

Or you can keep it going with your insults and nonsense.. truth is though you're just a douchebag who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You starting arguing with Rock, I was just defending his position because you clearly misunderstood him. He never called the Marlins a top team or said they won consistently. He said they win, as in two recent World Series titles.
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That's correct, the discussion was with Rock, someone who knows the game.. so your all done here bud. We'll call you if we need your 10 cent input, thanks.

My quote: "Like any sport, the teams that lose constantly don't have as many people coming out to see them."

Rock's response: "Teams that win (like the Marlins) don't get attendance figures either."

We weren't talking about WS wins, we were talking about perennial winners i believe Rock. Which the Marlins haven't been in decades. That's a big reason why fans just don't come out for them, imo. They want to see consistent good baseball and they haven't gotten that at all.

 

[Cythim]

Quit acting like a petulant child. You know what Rock was alluding to but you need to pretend he wasn't to protect your ego.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Quit acting like a petulant child. You know what Rock was alluding to but you need to pretend he wasn't to protect your ego.

Yawn.. im the child huh? No one's even talking to you, yet you feel the need to keep jumping in.

I made a point that the teams who don't win consistently don't have the fans coming out, as it is in any sport.

He said even the teams that win, like the Marlins, don't have fans coming out.

I made the point back that they haven't been one of the teams that has won consistently, so they fit the theory of not being able to get people to the ballpark because they don't put a consistently good product on the field.

I couldn't care less what you think on the matter.. again, we'll call you if we need you in the discussion. Thanks.

 

[Cythim]

See, that is you acting like a petulant child. This is a community discussion, if you want a private discussion with Rock take it to PMs.

Only the Yankees win consistently in the MLB. Outside of that teams have up and down decades. Florida won two World Series and fans couldn't be bothered to show up at the ballpark to watch them. Keep trying to shackle the situation with your own silly stipulations, his point was what I have been stating.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

The year after the Marlins won their last title, they drew almost a million fans BELOW the National League average. So fresh of a World Series, they could not draw.

And Cynthim is right, they have been a team consitantly in the wild card race, but still...no fans.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The year after the Marlins won their last title, they drew almost a million fans BELOW the National League average. So fresh of a World Series, they could not draw.

And Cynthim is right, they have been a team consitantly in the wild card race, but still...no fans.

Dude, in the last 20 years, they've been over .500 only 6 times. Back in the 90's, when the franchise began, they were over the average for a few years in fan attendance. They won the world series in 97, sure, but the year after that they held a fire sale like idiots and gave away all their good players and lost 100 games. Think that sat well with the fans?

You can say they've been wild card contenders, but they've still finished 1st or 2nd in the division only 3 times in their 19 year history. That's not going to cut it in bringing fans out to see you. They expect a losing product, even when they may be "in the hunt" for a wild card a couple years. But more often then not, they are just bottom dwellers.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Dude, in the last 20 years, they've been over .500 only 6 times. Back in the 90's, when the franchise began, they were over the average for a few years in fan attendance. They won the world series once, sure, but the year after that they held a fire sale like idiots and gave away all their good players and lost 100 games. Think that sat well with the fans?

You can say they've been wild card contenders, but they've still finished 1st or 2nd in the division only 3 times in their 19 year history. That's not going to cut it in bringing fans out to see you. They expect a losing product, even when they may be "in the hunt" for a wild card a couple years. But more often then not, they are just bottom dwellers.

Why do you think they are constantly forced to get rid of talent? Oh yeah, no fans no payroll.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Why do you think they are constantly forced to get rid of talent? Oh yeah, no fans no payroll.

They arn't constantly forced to get rid of talent.. actually in the years since 98, they've both signed and developed alot of young, talented ballplayers.

The main reason that the Marlins haven't had good fan attendance since the 90's is because of what their owner did after that first world series victory. He alienated ALOT of fans by breaking up that entire team.. it was a huge deal. He was pretty much run out of the area after that when he sold the team about a year after. They're still the only team ever to win a series and then lose 100 games the next year because of that bs he pulled.

Lets see how many fans come out after they move into their new stadium, which is an actual baseball stadium, next year. Also, the new digs will have a roof, which should also go a long way in helping fan attendance, since they won't have so many delays and cancellations due to weather as has become common in Florida.

 

[sbk92]

It is true that the Marlins couldn't fill the stadium when they did win.

Look at the Rays the last several years. One of the top teams in all of baseball. Nobody cares. Their home crowd is a joke.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

It is true that the Marlins couldn't fill the stadium when they did win.

Look at the Rays the last several years. One of the top teams in all of baseball. Nobody cares. Their home crowd is a joke.

Rays finished 30th in attendance last season. Pathetic.

 

[sbk92]

Rays finished 30th in attendance last season. Pathetic.

Complete joke. They should move that team the hell out of there. They've hung right there with the two beasts in all of baseball, the Yanks and Sox, over the last 3 years and they still get no support whatsoever.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Complete joke. They should move that team the hell out of there. They've hung right there with the two beasts in all of baseball, the Yanks and Sox, over the last 3 years and they still get no support whatsoever.

Cough.. Phillies.. Cough