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The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy. It has long been proved wrong but Christians still use it today.

A belief in God is not the default answer. Also, even if god was real, how do you know yours is the true one? (pascals wager)
 
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Sheik said:
i take ale issue with a lot of the bible.

The only difference between me and you is, I believe there is a God.

I watched a video not too long ago, a Christian talking to a room of people. He was telling a story about someone asking for proof of God. In a nutshell he asked "what percentage of everything do you know?" The person answered "maybe 5%". The Christian fired back "is it possible that god exists somewhere in the 95% that you don't know?"

Call me stupid, but I'm not willing to bet my "eternal life" that he doesn't exist. It's not for everyone , so whatever.
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Pascal's wager. Fuck, late.
 
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Everlastingxxx said:
The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy. It has long been proved wrong but Christians still use it today.

A belief in God is not the default answer. Also, even if god was real, how do you know yours is the true one? (pascals wager)
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If you really wanted to get right down to it, both sides are arguing from ignorance. Would you agree with that ?

And to your second point, you are absolutely right. I guess I'd rather choose a team rather than sit on the sideline.
 
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If you really wanted to get right down to it, both sides are arguing from ignorance. Would you agree with that ?

And to your second point, you are absolutely right. I guess I'd rather choose a team rather than sit on the sideline.
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Not sure what you mean by both sides. I am talking about the argument the Christian gave on the video you watched. It’s a failed argument. It’s not logical to believe in something (a positive claim) simply because you don’t know the answer.

The problem with Pascal’s wager is that is assumes Christianity is the correct religion. There are thousands of religions in the world. How do you know yours is the correct one?

copied from here about burden of proof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

Matt Dillahunty gives the example of a large jar full of gumballs to illustrate the burden of proof. It is a fact of reality that the number of gumballs in the jar is either even or odd, but the degree of belief/disbelief a person could hold is more nuanced depending upon the evidence available. We can choose to consider two claims about the situation, given as

1. The number of gumballs is even.
2. The number of gumballs is odd.

These two claims can be considered independently. Before we have any information about the number of gumballs, we have no means of distinguishing either of the two claims. When we have no evidence favoring either proposition, we must suspend belief in both. This is the default position. The justification for this zero-evidence epistemic position of non-belief is only ever the lack of evidence supporting the claim. Instead, the burden of proof, or the responsibility to provide evidence and reasoning for one claim or the other, lies with those seeking to persuade someone holding the default position.
 
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I'm saying it's an argument of "nuh-uh, yes-huh."

Believe or don't believe, both sides have their reasons, neither side has "proof".

I'm not arguing your second point, I only said that for me, I'll believe what I believe, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

It's no different than you choosing not to believe.
 
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Sheik said:
I'm saying it's an argument of "nuh-uh, yes-huh."

Believe or don't believe, both sides have their reasons, neither side has "proof".

I'm not arguing your second point, I only said that for me, I'll believe what I believe, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

It's no different than you choosing not to believe.
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You don’t have to prove non-belief. The one making a claim has the burden of proof. There is a difference.

I would rather be undecided until i had sufficient proof that there is a god and which religion is the true one. I haven’t seen any proof in my life. I think people believe because the alternative is hard for them to accept.
 
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jnday said:
I think that you could be converted after I have a short conversation explaining things. Each and every one of your post screams that I need God in my life.
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I need you in my life.
 
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You don’t have to prove non-belief. The one making a claim has the burden of proof. There is a difference.

I would rather be undecided until i had sufficient proof that there is a god and which religion is the true one. I haven’t seen any proof in my life. I think people believe because the alternative is hard for them to accept.
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I respect your position, but IMO, I think the burden of proof is a cop out. Just my opinion.

Non-belief is still a belief. You believe there is no God. There is a belief system in place there by default.
 
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I respect your position, but IMO, I think the burden of proof is a cop out. Just my opinion.

Non-belief is still a belief. You believe there is no God. There is a belief system in place there by default.
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My position is not there is no god. My position is that i don’t believe in any of the gods presented to me so far. Insufficient evidence.

People are born atheists. They are taught religions and gods. Anyways, if a belief system helps a person live their life, i am all for it as long as it doesn’t step on another persons rights.
 
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