Interesting CBA comment from Aiello tonight:

[Midswat]

Compelling arguments everyone, but I still don't give a shat what they work out.

Give me football or heads will roll.

 

[Cr122]

Soccer? :Suicide

 

[Cythim]

Yes, you're right. If the owners have to give a bigger slice of the pie to the players that won't have any effect on what fans pay.

What was I thinking?

Average salary in 1985 was $217k and in 2007 it was $1.75m for an increase of 800%. Over the same span league revenues increased from $800m to $8b, or 1000%. But go ahead and blame the players for taking advantage of the owner's greed. They agreed to a salary cap 18 years ago and the owners are the one trying to force a change.

 

[sbk92]

Average salary in 1985 was $217k and in 2007 it was $1.75m for an increase of 800%. Over the same span league revenues increased from $800m to $8b, or 1000%. But go ahead and blame the players for taking advantage of the owner's greed. They agreed to a salary cap 18 years ago and the owners are the one trying to force a change.

And none of that has a thing to do with what I said.

You say the owners are greedy. I agree. So are the players.

It's basic common sense, smart soccer guy, that if the owners have to give up more to the players, those greedy owners have only one way to make up for it. And that's to rape the fans for the difference.

If you don't believe that, then it's you who is truly stupid. Stick to the soccer talk.

 

[Cythim]

How are the owners giving up more to the players? The owners are trying to take back from the players what was already promised to them in the 18 year old CBA. The fact is player salaries are not scaling proportional to revenue increases while owner's net income is yet it is the players greed because the owners are trying to take away salary to increase their own profits. By your logic the owners should be able to force prices to go up instead but they aren't doing it.

And you've already over-played the soccer bit. I'm sorry that you don't like the superior sport.

 

[sbk92]

How are the owners giving up more to the players? The owners are trying to take back from the players what was already promised to them in the 18 year old CBA. The fact is player salaries are not scaling proportional to revenue increases while owner's net income is yet it is the players greed because the owners are trying to take away salary to increase their own profits. By your logic the owners should be able to force prices to go up instead but they aren't doing it.

And you've already over-played the soccer bit. I'm sorry that you don't like the superior sport.

Because the owners opted out of that CBA because they wanted a larger percentage of the revenue. They wanted a larger percentage of the revenue because they wanted to make more. If they fail in this process, their only other option is to increase the revenue pool to make up that difference. They can only do that but raising the prices on the fans.

This is simple economics 101. I'm surprised a smart guy like you can't grasp it.

 

[sbk92]

And you've already over-played the soccer bit. I'm sorry that you don't like the superior sport.

It may be the superior sport overseas but you're in America, bubba. The NFL could televise their walk through practices and it would get a bigger audience than anything soccer related.

Around here you only play soccer if you had pussy parents too afraid to let you play a real sport.

For my money it's the single most boring sport on the planet.

 

[Cythim]

Because the owners opted out of that CBA because they wanted a larger percentage of the revenue. They wanted a larger percentage of the revenue because they wanted to make more. If they fail in this process, their only other option is to increase the revenue pool to make up that difference. They can only do that but raising the prices on the fans.

This is simple economics 101. I'm surprised a smart guy like you can't grasp it.

Simple economics 101, if owners can raise prices instead of lose money on work stoppage that is the route to take. Simple economics 101, they are going to raise the prices on the fans regardless of what happens to the CBA and an owner win will not mean less of an increase. They are not less likely to raise prices if they win this negotiation.

 

[Cythim]

It may be the superior sport overseas but you're in America, bubba. The NFL could televise their walk through practices and it would get a bigger audience than anything soccer related.

Around here you only play soccer if you had pussy parents too afraid to let you play a real sport.

For my money it's the single most boring sport on the planet.

I don't care about popularity, I can buy season tickets to see the Timbers play MLS for $20 a game, cheaper than standing room tickets for the Cowboys. I enjoy the game and your opinion of it does not mean anything to me.

 

[sbk92]

Simple economics 101, if owners can raise prices instead of lose money on work stoppage that is the route to take. Simple economics 101, they are going to raise the prices on the fans regardless of what happens to the CBA and an owner win will not mean less of an increase. They are not less likely to raise prices if they win this negotiation.

I don't believe that.

I believe what the owners have to pay out to the players has a direct result on what they charge the fans.

You can't convince me that if the owners take a bath on this new CBA it won't make it more likely they'll raise prices.

 

[sbk92]

I don't care about popularity, I can buy season tickets to see the Timbers play MLS for $20 a game, cheaper than standing room tickets for the Cowboys. I enjoy the game and your opinion of it does not mean anything to me.

You can buy it for $20 because it sucks and nobody wants to go.

I'm not factoring in my or your opinion on it, but America's. We'd rather do pretty much anything else there is to do than watch soccer.

 

[Cythim]

You can buy it for $20 because it sucks and nobody wants to go.

I'm not factoring in my or your opinion on it, but America's. We'd rather do pretty much anything else there is to do than watch soccer.

That is fine with me, I'll continue enjoying a game I like at a fair price. I don't mind seperating myself from the opinion that promotes such awesome talent as Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus or the "Real Housewives" of whatever major city you prefer.

 

[Cythim]

I don't believe that.

I believe what the owners have to pay out to the players has a direct result on what they charge the fans.

You can't convince me that if the owners take a bath on this new CBA it won't make it more likely they'll raise prices.

Prices go up based on supply and demand factors. Computers will tell owners what the best price is for maximizing profits and that is what the prices will be set at. Owners don't just walk in and say "increase prices by 5%, I need a new Bentley!" Lots of math is used and prices move according to what the market will support.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Fhags don't kill people. Or that's what I've been told.

Ewwwww. Somebody still seething about being stripped of being a moderator.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ewwwww. Somebody still seething about being stripped of being a moderator.

Dude...you're black.