Dez's contract situation may turn ugly

[Bob Sacamano]

I can only imagine some of the dorks in here front and center in front of the TV throwing up the X whenever Dez catches a TD. Buncha fan boys.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That shit is ripping off Dante Hall anyways.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I can only imagine some of the dorks in here front and center in front of the TV throwing up the X whenever Dez catches a TD. Buncha fan boys.

Dude i do it all the celebrations. The Cam superman opening of the chest, Randy Moss peekaboo, Johnny Manziel money signs, Dez X, Rodgers discount double check.

But yea, Dante Hall did it first. That boy was badass back in the day.

 

[Doomsday]

You.

We see now why you think that. Not paying attention to what is actually being posted. I have never "devalued" Dez in fact it is just the opposite - I don't believe we can afford the kind of contract he is going to be able to command. We can make him play under the tag this year, and next if necessary. But after that he gets his money either from us or someone else.

The only people who understand what needs to be done are the small percentage of professional executives and coaches that have resumes experience winning multiple Super Bowl.

Jerruh?

 

[Doomsday]

Dez was a no-show as expected, at the mandatory minicamp today. Condon said today on the Sirius radio NFL show, expect Desmond to hold out at least two regular season games if he doesn't get a long term deal.

He signs the franchise tender but then holds out, and the reality is he can hold out more than half the season and still get paid, if he wants.

One of the big hitches in the deal is Desmond's "probation," the clauses in the contract governing off-field issues. Dallas still wants the monitoring program in place. Desmond wants them to give him multi-millions up front and more guaranteed, but wants nothing in the contract regarding his off field behavior.

"Gimme 20-plus million an' lemme do what I wanna do I got Hoes to pimp an' shit."

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Stephen Jones: “Too big a divide” to do a Dez Bryant deal now

With wide receiver Dez Bryant — or those close to Dez Bryant — threatening to boycott regular season games, the Cowboys are using their own pulpit to illustrate the difference in bargaining positions.

Via the team’s official website, Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said there was still “wide gap” in negotiations with their franchise-tagged wide receiver.

“I’m not a good speculator, but I will say this is the tough side of our game – the side that the fans don’t probably love to talk about,” Jones said on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “But there is a business side of it, and we’re doing what we can do, our goal ultimately being to sign Dez to a long-term contract – and I know Dez would like to have one. But this is an environment right now with a receiver market that’s not exactly easy to get your hands around.”

With wideouts including Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones and A.J. Green looking for new deals, ascertaining market value is hard.

“I don’t think anyone quite knows what that market is, and that makes it difficult,” Jones said. “I think once we figure out what that is, then there’s a way for us to get something done with Dez. But until that happens, it’s what teams think versus what players and their representatives think. There’s a wide gap right now. . . .

“At the end of the day it’s a business, and when the time comes and there’s something that we can do that makes sense for both sides, I know that’ll happen – because they’re motivated to do it, we’re motivated to do it. But right now there’s just too big a divide.”

And until we get closer to the July 15 deadline for tagged players to reach long-term deals, there will doubtless be more noise from both sides as they try to bridge that gap.

Stephen Jones: “Too big a divide” to do a Dez Bryant deal now | ProFootballTalk

 

[NoShame]

We see now why you think that. Not paying attention to what is actually being posted. I have never "devalued" Dez in fact it is just the opposite - I don't believe we can afford the kind of contract he is going to be able to command. We can make him play under the tag this year, and next if necessary. But after that he gets his money either from us or someone else.

K.

 

[Dodger12]

Dez Bryant led in receptions in 6 games last season. Four other receivers led in the remaining 10 games. He had 4 or less receptions in 7 games. He had a total of 4 100 yard games last season, tied for 13th place in the NFL. The Cowboys philosophy involves a variety of receiving options.

I don't know if that's the team's philosophy as much as it is DC's find a way to take Dez out of a game, Dez not knowing certain routes or Dez taking plays off if he doesn't think the ball is coming to him. The 100 yards per game is a barometer for a WR, just as it is for a #1 RB.

In any event, this is very telling. Your #1 WR only having 4 100 yard games is maddening and I think he's too inconsistent to be counted on. But once you get close the goal line he becomes a major threat for teams to defend and is almost unstoppable.

 

[peplaw06]

We see now why you think that. Not paying attention to what is actually being posted. I have never "devalued" Dez in fact it is just the opposite - I don't believe we can afford the kind of contract he is going to be able to command. We can make him play under the tag this year, and next if necessary. But after that he gets his money either from us or someone else.

Of course you have devalued him... You've claimed that we will be fine without him. That's devaluing him.

Now you may have said we can't afford the contract he will demand or deserve. But that wouldn't be the first time you've talked out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Statman]

Of course you have devalued him... You've claimed that we will be fine without him. That's devaluing him.

Now you may have said we can't afford the contract he will demand or deserve. But that wouldn't be the first time you've talked out of both sides of your mouth.

I see debates like this almost every week for years when it comes to making choices on who to keep and who to let go. There always seems to be some lack of comprehension when it comes to what each person is saying. Sadly, many waste their time because they are not debating a football related issue, they are debating semantics.

Here is one position, which I also share:

The Dallas Cowboys could never be a better team without Dez Bryant this season than they would if they had him.

Everybody agrees with that. Nobody is saying otherwise. That is not what has been said here.

Here is a further breakdown:

The Cowboys have done some awesome things talentwise over the past couple seasons and they have a lot to be excited about when it comes to this rookie class. Building a talented team the right way can result in a snowball effect where they really begin to separate from the other teams. The Dallas Cowboys are on the edge of that surface and they can really take a giant leap this season.

With or without DeMarco Murray and Dez Bryant, they will be a better team than they were last season.

This will be the result of great young talent learning more, gaining experience, and becoming more familiar with the system and their teammates. It will be contributed to by coaches that are great teachers and can expand on their game plans due to their familiarity with each other. The team from top to bottom has come together and they are not just a bunch of talented player. They are a real team. This means that they can be more productive together than individually.

This Cowboy team has so much talent that, within a couple years, they will have no choice but to assist other teams in stocking talent by releasing those players they can't afford to keep.

If we pay Dez Bryant what he wants then we may be unable to keep more than one of the young offensive linemen that we have. What about the other positions?

The salary cap is a 53 (or whatever number players if you want to nitpick) piece pie. Each player gets a piece, nobody is left out. But some pieces are big and some are small. The most basic math that anyone can understand, the more you give to one, the less you have to give another.

The decision on what to pay Dez Bryant will have repercussions down the road, pretty big ones. The Cowboys are still working on fixing the salary cap while dealing with a nice chunk of dead money paid to players no longer on the team. The Cowboys made a huge decision a few months ago to let DeMarco go, yes, they let him go. A contract at 5 million a year is an insult when you consider what he had accomplished, not only last season but the previous three. This guy was a legitimate threat, both as a runner and receiver, and we didn't pay him 8 million a year. And don't even start because I have the numbers to destroy that myth. DeMarco has some great years ahead of him.

It was a tough decision. They said they had to make some hard choices but no, they were somewhat cowardly about it. Why do I say that? Because there are untouchables on this team.

What is Jason Witten's salary this season? How old is he? What direction has his productivity taken recently? Will it go back up at the age of 33? Would you say that the Cowboys made a pretty significant investment in a replacement they have been grooming?

Do you see what I mean?

I'm not devaluing him, nobody can do that. The "market" decides value. The salary cap decides that. Circumstances surrounding team structure can decide that.

I want to keep Dez Bryant. I want to keep Jason and I wanted to keep DeMarco. Being Captain Obvious, I don't wan to lose any talented player. I miss the earlier decades when your guys were yours for their career unless they were cut or traded. These days, the guy you love today is the guy you might be rooting against tomorrow. Fan loyalty becomes an emotional detriment.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Demarco is gone. Bangkok has him now.

 

[Doomsday]

Of course you have devalued him... You've claimed that we will be fine without him. That's devaluing him.

No it's not. It is realizing the realities of the NFL. There will still be people catching Tony's passes. It's always happened. If he leaves or goes down with a season ending injury or something, it's not the end of the world.

He's not God.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

You just don't get it. It's not just about people catching passes, its about the overall impact he has on the offense.

 

[Doomsday]

You just don't get it. It's not just about people catching passes, its about the overall impact he has on the offense.

I do get that. What you don't get is, defenses would have to adjust as the season progresses, they wouldn't know who to try to take away. All our tendencies, the "book" on us, would be out the window. What, you think they would just man-up on us? Nobody does that anymore not even Seattle. If they did we would eat them alive.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Yeah, throwing Street out there would totes confound defenses!

 

[peplaw06]

No it's not. It is realizing the realities of the NFL.

You can try to spin it however you want...

Everyone here can read what you write and judge for themselves. More than one person though has claimed you're devaluing Dez.

There will still be people catching Tony's passes. It's always happened. If he leaves or goes down with a season ending injury or something, it's not the end of the world.

He's not God.

Literally zero people think Dez is God, or that if he leaves, then we'll somehow shut down the passing game cause there will be no one else to catch passes.

Of course other people will be catching passes. But no one on the WR depth chart is the threat to catch the types of passes and score the types of touchdowns that Dez is. And no one is going to command the double teams Dez commands... not right now.

And if you deny that, then you're dumber than I thought... a difficult feat to accomplish, but you've been consistently lowering the bar that I though you had reached here for months, so I guess it's possible.

 

[Doomsday]

if he leaves, then we'll somehow shut down the passing game cause there will be no one else to catch passes.

It was said right here in this thread, that our offense collapses if Dez isn't in it.

I say, "no it won't" and all you fanbois go apeshit, claim I am "devaluing" Desmond, all that stupid shit.

More than one person though has claimed you're devaluing Dez.

That speaks well to how people can't read for comprehension, or just make it say what they want, or just outright fucking lie about what is said and not at all to what I am actually saying and thinking. More idiots saying the same thing does not reality make.

The fact of the matter is NO ONE on the WR depth chart is the threat to catch the types of passes and score the types of touchdowns that Dez is.

You just don't know that and can't know until we find out. No one else on the roster has had the opportunities Desmond has. We might well have a hidden superstar or two on this roster at the wideout position.

Nothing I am saying is in any way unreasonable, it simply doesn't echo the Dez worshippers and mindless fanbois and that's why you have issue with it. We're all entitled to our opinions.

I've also said it is far less worrisome to me losing Desmond, than it would be losing Tony. And if you deny that, then you're dumber than I thought...

 

[peplaw06]

Here is one position, which I also share:

The Dallas Cowboys could never be a better team without Dez Bryant this season than they would if they had him.

Agreed.

Here is a further breakdown:...

The Cowboys have done some awesome things talentwise over the past couple seasons and they have a lot to be excited about when it comes to this rookie class. Building a talented team the right way can result in a snowball effect where they really begin to separate from the other teams. The Dallas Cowboys are on the edge of that surface and they can really take a giant leap this season.

With or without DeMarco Murray and Dez Bryant, they will be a better team than they were last season.

No, you can't say that unequivocally. There is a chance they could be better... there is a chance they could be worse. I don't understand how you can admit that they can't be as good without Dez than they would be with him... then turn around and say either way they're better than last season. You admit that there is a drop off in talent with the known Dez if he's not playing... somehow you know that the progress made in other areas equals a better team anyway?

This will be the result of great young talent learning more, gaining experience, and becoming more familiar with the system and their teammates. It will be contributed to by coaches that are great teachers and can expand on their game plans due to their familiarity with each other. The team from top to bottom has come together and they are not just a bunch of talented player. They are a real team. This means that they can be more productive together than individually.

This is all conjecture.

This Cowboy team has so much talent that, within a couple years, they will have no choice but to assist other teams in stocking talent by releasing those players they can't afford to keep.

If we pay Dez Bryant what he wants then we may be unable to keep more than one of the young offensive linemen that we have. What about the other positions?

The salary cap is a 53 (or whatever number players if you want to nitpick) piece pie. Each player gets a piece, nobody is left out. But some pieces are big and some are small. The most basic math that anyone can understand, the more you give to one, the less you have to give another.

The decision on what to pay Dez Bryant will have repercussions down the road, pretty big ones. The Cowboys are still working on fixing the salary cap while dealing with a nice chunk of dead money paid to players no longer on the team. The Cowboys made a huge decision a few months ago to let DeMarco go, yes, they let him go. A contract at 5 million a year is an insult when you consider what he had accomplished, not only last season but the previous three. This guy was a legitimate threat, both as a runner and receiver, and we didn't pay him 8 million a year. And don't even start because I have the numbers to destroy that myth. DeMarco has some great years ahead of him.

It was a tough decision. They said they had to make some hard choices but no, they were somewhat cowardly about it. Why do I say that? Because there are untouchables on this team.

What is Jason Witten's salary this season? How old is he? What direction has his productivity taken recently? Will it go back up at the age of 33? Would you say that the Cowboys made a pretty significant investment in a replacement they have been grooming?

Do you see what I mean?

I'm not devaluing him, nobody can do that. The "market" decides value. The salary cap decides that. Circumstances surrounding team structure can decide that.

I want to keep Dez Bryant. I want to keep Jason and I wanted to keep DeMarco. Being Captain Obvious, I don't wan to lose any talented player. I miss the earlier decades when your guys were yours for their career unless they were cut or traded. These days, the guy you love today is the guy you might be rooting against tomorrow. Fan loyalty becomes an emotional detriment.

This is just a simple statement on the state of the league now. We all know you can't just pay anyone whatever they demand now, and that it affects the cap and every other player on the roster.

That said, it doesn't mean a team has to let all of it's talent go to stay in good cap shape. There are ways to pay talented guys and keep them here and still field a competitive team. Some teams sign a high dollar WR and skimp on the back end of the roster and are successful. Some teams let talented guys go and spread the money out more and are successful. There's not just one way to field a good team.

Dez is going to command a large salary. Whether it's Jerry who pays him or someone else, it's going to be big. When you come at it from the point that the team has had other 1000 yard WRs before Dez, and they'll have some after him, that minimizes his impact on this team. When you claim that anyone on the roster can catch passes, that devalues him in relation to other WRs on the team.

If you believe that, then you should also believe that all the WRs on the roster deserve the same pay.... which is ludicrous. If this team had paid Dez a big deal and then put the franchise tag on Cole Beasley, then people would be up in arms. No one would be in favor of that.

 

[Doomsday]

The Dallas Cowboys could never be a better team without Dez Bryant this season than they would if they had him.

I agree with this too and will take this moment to point out, no one's asserted they would be better without him. But I believe is IS possible even if remotely.

I simply don't agree with the fanboi hyperbole that the offense "collapses" without him.

 

[Doomsday]

When you come at it from the point that the team has had other 1000 yard WRs before Dez, and they'll have some after him, that minimizes his impact on this team.

It does NOT. It merely states FACT. YOU are writing the rest of the fanboi nonsense, into it.